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		<title>By: Diwan Singh</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2010/02/01/the-urbanization-imperative/comment-page-1/#comment-153307</link>
		<dc:creator>Diwan Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 14:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everything mentioned in the article. As far as economical 
growth is concerned, it is 100% correct. All about manufacturing, service 
sector, transfer of labor etc, everything is correct. Cities are engines of growth.
A person living in a city consumes so much that the cites are bound to become engines of growth. It is in city&#039;s lifestyle that consumption is high. Its totally unavoidable. Try compare resource consumption of a person living in village and that of a middle class person of a city. I am sure ,you would not compare to a slum dweller. The consumption of an urban dweller is at least ten times more than that of a rural dweller. Some estimates have also put it at 30 times.

I wish 100% population of this country live in cities.
But the question arises; does the planet have enough resources to provide for so much consumption?  If not, then we have to look at sustainable means of employment and lifestyle. In a village, you are employed in agriculture,which in comparison to industry, is more sustainable with nature.
I have a question- 
Why 10 million people left cities and migrated back to villages, when 
recession affected China. If cities are sustainable, this would have never happened. There is something terribly wrong with concept of unhindered urbanisation. Urbanisation has to be tolerated as a necessary evil, only to some extent.

In my opinion, even the present urbanisation in India or China will not sustain. West urbanised and continue to remain so not because it is sustainable but because it draws resources from far away third world countries. It is being able to do because because of its technological advancement, which enables it to buy  labor and raw materials in return for technology.
The planet is on its brink.It is not so because of tribals or rural people. All these factories running around the world are running to satisfy the appetite of urban world.
The day we build cities, which have same per capita consumption as that of a typical village, I would say, lets urbanise the entire country. Otherwise, we all are falling in a self made death trap.
To think holistically is our responsibilty. There is no use of repenting after having lost. One third of living planet has finished in last 40 years. 
(UN Millennium report). It&#039;s we who have to find solutions; especially we ,who live in urban areas because we are part of the problem.

Diwan Singh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything mentioned in the article. As far as economical<br />
growth is concerned, it is 100% correct. All about manufacturing, service<br />
sector, transfer of labor etc, everything is correct. Cities are engines of growth.<br />
A person living in a city consumes so much that the cites are bound to become engines of growth. It is in city&#8217;s lifestyle that consumption is high. Its totally unavoidable. Try compare resource consumption of a person living in village and that of a middle class person of a city. I am sure ,you would not compare to a slum dweller. The consumption of an urban dweller is at least ten times more than that of a rural dweller. Some estimates have also put it at 30 times.</p>
<p>I wish 100% population of this country live in cities.<br />
But the question arises; does the planet have enough resources to provide for so much consumption?  If not, then we have to look at sustainable means of employment and lifestyle. In a village, you are employed in agriculture,which in comparison to industry, is more sustainable with nature.<br />
I have a question-<br />
Why 10 million people left cities and migrated back to villages, when<br />
recession affected China. If cities are sustainable, this would have never happened. There is something terribly wrong with concept of unhindered urbanisation. Urbanisation has to be tolerated as a necessary evil, only to some extent.</p>
<p>In my opinion, even the present urbanisation in India or China will not sustain. West urbanised and continue to remain so not because it is sustainable but because it draws resources from far away third world countries. It is being able to do because because of its technological advancement, which enables it to buy  labor and raw materials in return for technology.<br />
The planet is on its brink.It is not so because of tribals or rural people. All these factories running around the world are running to satisfy the appetite of urban world.<br />
The day we build cities, which have same per capita consumption as that of a typical village, I would say, lets urbanise the entire country. Otherwise, we all are falling in a self made death trap.<br />
To think holistically is our responsibilty. There is no use of repenting after having lost. One third of living planet has finished in last 40 years.<br />
(UN Millennium report). It&#8217;s we who have to find solutions; especially we ,who live in urban areas because we are part of the problem.</p>
<p>Diwan Singh</p>
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		<title>By: sumit</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2010/02/01/the-urbanization-imperative/comment-page-1/#comment-149767</link>
		<dc:creator>sumit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making new cities will mean lot of capital investments, from where will that come.
The Charter cities example talks of Chinese building HongKong like cities but that means export oriented nature keeping local wage poor and chinese saving being consumed by Americans which is not sustainable. US and European cities came up on slaves, killing of red Indians and money looted from colonies. The reason that the serfs were released from farm land to work in industries was because the europeans had looted lot of wealth from South America and had lot of capital so needed labourers in a big place and the migration happened.
These possibilities or cheap source of energy are ruled out and there is not much capital in India. Government does not have so much money to do it.
What model do you suggest for this transformation to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making new cities will mean lot of capital investments, from where will that come.<br />
The Charter cities example talks of Chinese building HongKong like cities but that means export oriented nature keeping local wage poor and chinese saving being consumed by Americans which is not sustainable. US and European cities came up on slaves, killing of red Indians and money looted from colonies. The reason that the serfs were released from farm land to work in industries was because the europeans had looted lot of wealth from South America and had lot of capital so needed labourers in a big place and the migration happened.<br />
These possibilities or cheap source of energy are ruled out and there is not much capital in India. Government does not have so much money to do it.<br />
What model do you suggest for this transformation to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: nag</title>
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		<dc:creator>nag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Umesh,

a) Israel is a good example where desalination plants have worked. It may not always be necessary to locate a city near a fresh water source. Point being, there are alternatives and we need to explore them.

b) There are two issues raised - migration and land acquisition. My perception is that in India, migration from rural to urban areas has always happened and is an ongoing process. Building better cities with more opportunities will accelerate this process.

For better or worse, people in our villages and towns seem to believe that cities offer better opportunities to survive. I am certain there are examples we can relate to in our own families, friends and extended families where people have migrated from villages and towns to cities in search of better education, jobs or livelihood. 

I admit land acquisition is a thorny issue and needs to be addressed. As Atanu often writes, incentives work and we may need to be creative enough to work out options. 

The bottom line though is that our policy makers need to first decide to build new cities and the issues can then be tackled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Umesh,</p>
<p>a) Israel is a good example where desalination plants have worked. It may not always be necessary to locate a city near a fresh water source. Point being, there are alternatives and we need to explore them.</p>
<p>b) There are two issues raised &#8211; migration and land acquisition. My perception is that in India, migration from rural to urban areas has always happened and is an ongoing process. Building better cities with more opportunities will accelerate this process.</p>
<p>For better or worse, people in our villages and towns seem to believe that cities offer better opportunities to survive. I am certain there are examples we can relate to in our own families, friends and extended families where people have migrated from villages and towns to cities in search of better education, jobs or livelihood. </p>
<p>I admit land acquisition is a thorny issue and needs to be addressed. As Atanu often writes, incentives work and we may need to be creative enough to work out options. </p>
<p>The bottom line though is that our policy makers need to first decide to build new cities and the issues can then be tackled.</p>
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		<title>By: Umesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nag,
 
Thanks for your reply. The main issue with this is that just as agriculture require a certain type of land, so do cities.

a)Every urban area requires huge amounts of water infrastructure. This effectively translates into a requirement of fertile land since, water sources are nearby. The Problem with all big projects today is that, they have water requirements , which necessiates arable land.

b) The implicit requirement is also that one needs to move people from rural jobs to urban jobs. The disparity between rural share of GDP Vs the rural employment %age of total employment is the crux of our poverty problem. How do convince a farm owner to leave his land in hope for a better, but, intangible future?

The answer might be to pay him huge amounts. Then the next question is that, Do we have the money to pay that kind of compensation.(a la 20 crores an acre, this was in Hyderabad)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nag,</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply. The main issue with this is that just as agriculture require a certain type of land, so do cities.</p>
<p>a)Every urban area requires huge amounts of water infrastructure. This effectively translates into a requirement of fertile land since, water sources are nearby. The Problem with all big projects today is that, they have water requirements , which necessiates arable land.</p>
<p>b) The implicit requirement is also that one needs to move people from rural jobs to urban jobs. The disparity between rural share of GDP Vs the rural employment %age of total employment is the crux of our poverty problem. How do convince a farm owner to leave his land in hope for a better, but, intangible future?</p>
<p>The answer might be to pay him huge amounts. Then the next question is that, Do we have the money to pay that kind of compensation.(a la 20 crores an acre, this was in Hyderabad)</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harsha, are you an apologetic of the Indian Government? The sucessive Congress lead governments in India have failed us miserably on many fronts. Yes you are right that things are not so easy to accomplish, however they are not impossible either.
Sixty years is a pretty long time for any country to come on its own. Most of these sixty years were unwisely spent on failed socialist models of governance. If Anatu&#039;s concerns don&#039;t make a difference then your rants don&#039;t make any difference either. You seem to be one of those silent suffering variety of machoists. 
Our sucessive Governments have failed on too many fronts and it is high time that we assert ourselves by every legitimate and constitutional means to make ourselves.
I say let us not be sensitive to our problems and rather go ahead and face our problems headon and find a solution to them at our own individual levels as well as on a larger social level.
One more thing, as a tax paying citizen I feel I have every right to protest if my hard earned money is not being utilized in the right fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harsha, are you an apologetic of the Indian Government? The sucessive Congress lead governments in India have failed us miserably on many fronts. Yes you are right that things are not so easy to accomplish, however they are not impossible either.<br />
Sixty years is a pretty long time for any country to come on its own. Most of these sixty years were unwisely spent on failed socialist models of governance. If Anatu&#8217;s concerns don&#8217;t make a difference then your rants don&#8217;t make any difference either. You seem to be one of those silent suffering variety of machoists.<br />
Our sucessive Governments have failed on too many fronts and it is high time that we assert ourselves by every legitimate and constitutional means to make ourselves.<br />
I say let us not be sensitive to our problems and rather go ahead and face our problems headon and find a solution to them at our own individual levels as well as on a larger social level.<br />
One more thing, as a tax paying citizen I feel I have every right to protest if my hard earned money is not being utilized in the right fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: nag</title>
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		<dc:creator>nag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umesh,

One could consider the possibility of non-arable land being used for developing cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umesh,</p>
<p>One could consider the possibility of non-arable land being used for developing cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabarish Sasidharan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabarish Sasidharan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, nice to see a mention of &#039;charter cities&#039;. I was thinking along those lines a couple years back. I just didn&#039;t know there was a specific name for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, nice to see a mention of &#8216;charter cities&#8217;. I was thinking along those lines a couple years back. I just didn&#8217;t know there was a specific name for that.</p>
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		<title>By: harsha</title>
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		<dc:creator>harsha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey atanu dey

good to read ur writings. Some knowledge there. But , my friend, it&#039;s easy to talk . Just like when u r a kid...u criticize ur parents...it&#039;s easy to criticize government sitting in ur bedroom. Ek baath batha yaar...what did u do for India except finding out the faults. 

Even a beggar can do what u r doing...stop :&quot;&quot;%ing urself n others with ur smart hypocrisy....cos the need of the hour is a politician who backs his words into actions. We both know, we can&#039;t do nothing to improve this :&quot;*ed up country.....only a big earthquake will do good by making it alert n killiong a few million. Let them sleep my friend...let them :&quot;&amp;* each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey atanu dey</p>
<p>good to read ur writings. Some knowledge there. But , my friend, it&#8217;s easy to talk . Just like when u r a kid&#8230;u criticize ur parents&#8230;it&#8217;s easy to criticize government sitting in ur bedroom. Ek baath batha yaar&#8230;what did u do for India except finding out the faults. </p>
<p>Even a beggar can do what u r doing&#8230;stop :&#8221;"%ing urself n others with ur smart hypocrisy&#8230;.cos the need of the hour is a politician who backs his words into actions. We both know, we can&#8217;t do nothing to improve this :&#8221;*ed up country&#8230;..only a big earthquake will do good by making it alert n killiong a few million. Let them sleep my friend&#8230;let them :&#8221;&amp;* each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Umesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Atanu,
  The issue is always land acquisition. What is your take on solving that problem? Will a farmer give up his land for creating a city?
Umesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Atanu,<br />
  The issue is always land acquisition. What is your take on solving that problem? Will a farmer give up his land for creating a city?<br />
Umesh</p>
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