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	<title>Comments on: The War and the Circus</title>
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		<title>By: nagp</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2009/04/12/the-war-and-the-circus/comment-page-1/#comment-140226</link>
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		<description>Hey, Have you read 1984 by George Orwell? In it, there is a chapter called &quot;War is peace&quot;. Go read it. No one has ever been so articulate in putting forth the other side of &quot;The War&quot; than George Orwell:
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt

Here is one nugget:


The primary aim of modern warfare (in accordance with the principles of
DOUBLETHINK, this aim is simultaneously recognized and not recognized by
the directing brains of the Inner Party) is to use up the products of the
machine without raising the general standard of living. Ever since the end
of the nineteenth century, the problem of what to do with the surplus of
consumption goods has been latent in industrial society. At present, when
few human beings even have enough to eat, this problem is obviously not
urgent, and it might not have become so, even if no artificial processes
of destruction had been at work. The world of today is a bare, hungry,
dilapidated place compared with the world that existed before 1914, and
still more so if compared with the imaginary future to which the people of
that period looked forward. In the early twentieth century, the vision of
a future society unbelievably rich, leisured, orderly, and efficient--a
glittering antiseptic world of glass and steel and snow-white concrete--was
part of the consciousness of nearly every literate person. Science and
technology were developing at a prodigious speed, and it seemed natural to
assume that they would go on developing. This failed to happen, partly
because of the impoverishment caused by a long series of wars and
revolutions, partly because scientific and technical progress depended on
the empirical habit of thought, which could not survive in a strictly
regimented society. As a whole the world is more primitive today than it
was fifty years ago. Certain backward areas have advanced, and various
devices, always in some way connected with warfare and police espionage,
have been developed, but experiment and invention have largely stopped,
and the ravages of the atomic war of the nineteen-fifties have never been
fully repaired. Nevertheless the dangers inherent in the machine are still
there. From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it
was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and
therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the
machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt,
illiteracy, and disease could be eliminated within a few generations.
And in fact, without being used for any such purpose, but by a sort of
automatic process--by producing wealth which it was sometimes impossible
not to distribute--the machine did raise the living standards of the
average human being very greatly over a period of about fifty years at
the end of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries.


-nagp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Have you read 1984 by George Orwell? In it, there is a chapter called &#8220;War is peace&#8221;. Go read it. No one has ever been so articulate in putting forth the other side of &#8220;The War&#8221; than George Orwell:<br />
<a href="http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt" rel="nofollow">http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt</a></p>
<p>Here is one nugget:</p>
<p>The primary aim of modern warfare (in accordance with the principles of<br />
DOUBLETHINK, this aim is simultaneously recognized and not recognized by<br />
the directing brains of the Inner Party) is to use up the products of the<br />
machine without raising the general standard of living. Ever since the end<br />
of the nineteenth century, the problem of what to do with the surplus of<br />
consumption goods has been latent in industrial society. At present, when<br />
few human beings even have enough to eat, this problem is obviously not<br />
urgent, and it might not have become so, even if no artificial processes<br />
of destruction had been at work. The world of today is a bare, hungry,<br />
dilapidated place compared with the world that existed before 1914, and<br />
still more so if compared with the imaginary future to which the people of<br />
that period looked forward. In the early twentieth century, the vision of<br />
a future society unbelievably rich, leisured, orderly, and efficient&#8211;a<br />
glittering antiseptic world of glass and steel and snow-white concrete&#8211;was<br />
part of the consciousness of nearly every literate person. Science and<br />
technology were developing at a prodigious speed, and it seemed natural to<br />
assume that they would go on developing. This failed to happen, partly<br />
because of the impoverishment caused by a long series of wars and<br />
revolutions, partly because scientific and technical progress depended on<br />
the empirical habit of thought, which could not survive in a strictly<br />
regimented society. As a whole the world is more primitive today than it<br />
was fifty years ago. Certain backward areas have advanced, and various<br />
devices, always in some way connected with warfare and police espionage,<br />
have been developed, but experiment and invention have largely stopped,<br />
and the ravages of the atomic war of the nineteen-fifties have never been<br />
fully repaired. Nevertheless the dangers inherent in the machine are still<br />
there. From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it<br />
was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and<br />
therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the<br />
machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt,<br />
illiteracy, and disease could be eliminated within a few generations.<br />
And in fact, without being used for any such purpose, but by a sort of<br />
automatic process&#8211;by producing wealth which it was sometimes impossible<br />
not to distribute&#8211;the machine did raise the living standards of the<br />
average human being very greatly over a period of about fifty years at<br />
the end of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries.</p>
<p>-nagp</p>
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		<title>By: vcbothra</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2009/04/12/the-war-and-the-circus/comment-page-1/#comment-140194</link>
		<dc:creator>vcbothra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you see, my dear Coningsby, that the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes. 
- From Coningsby by Benjamin Disraeli</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you see, my dear Coningsby, that the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.<br />
- From Coningsby by Benjamin Disraeli</p>
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