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		<title>By: My Feelings &#171; TPTM</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Feelings &#171; TPTM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] two situations where my feelings were put forth by ppl. One is Atanu&#8217;s blog post on Innovation and Enterpreneurship in India and other is a TED 2009 talk by Bill Gates. In the former Atanu argues that India does not need [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Asheesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asheesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu,

I don&#039;t think I agree with your assessment. You are looking at only today, where as to go to the root of the issue you have to look at the historical background. 

US did not come into existence as a developed nation, infact when the nation came into existence, India was ways ahead. Americans innovated because they had a need to do so. How do you connect with people living thousands of miles away? Telegram and then comes the telephone, and they innovate because they do not expect the Government to solve or provide solutions to their problems and whatever chances India had of catching up were destroyed by the evil Socialist government we had up until  late 90&#039;s.

I think India&#039;s biggest drwaback is that we never grew out of the fuedal mindset. We always are looking towards our government to solve our problems, sure we are a democracy and elect our leaders, but we treat them more like royalty than one amongst us. Even today we do not see solutions for problems coming from Private Sector, the do have the capital to do so today so the capital argument is not valid.Look at our education system, it is designed to stymie any creative thinking that a child may have...from where will you find the innovators? I have serious reservations about the generations who are graduating from our schools today and the future ones to come, unless we do something about it fast, we are doomed.I think the problem is deeply cultural and I do not see any disruptive innovation coming out of India for a long long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I agree with your assessment. You are looking at only today, where as to go to the root of the issue you have to look at the historical background. </p>
<p>US did not come into existence as a developed nation, infact when the nation came into existence, India was ways ahead. Americans innovated because they had a need to do so. How do you connect with people living thousands of miles away? Telegram and then comes the telephone, and they innovate because they do not expect the Government to solve or provide solutions to their problems and whatever chances India had of catching up were destroyed by the evil Socialist government we had up until  late 90&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I think India&#8217;s biggest drwaback is that we never grew out of the fuedal mindset. We always are looking towards our government to solve our problems, sure we are a democracy and elect our leaders, but we treat them more like royalty than one amongst us. Even today we do not see solutions for problems coming from Private Sector, the do have the capital to do so today so the capital argument is not valid.Look at our education system, it is designed to stymie any creative thinking that a child may have&#8230;from where will you find the innovators? I have serious reservations about the generations who are graduating from our schools today and the future ones to come, unless we do something about it fast, we are doomed.I think the problem is deeply cultural and I do not see any disruptive innovation coming out of India for a long long time.</p>
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		<title>By: vishu</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2009/02/15/innovation-and-entrepreneurship-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-138002</link>
		<dc:creator>vishu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ag - I think you summed it well.
If tentacles of the Government do not reach there is chance of innovation or else there will be darkness!

Vishal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ag &#8211; I think you summed it well.<br />
If tentacles of the Government do not reach there is chance of innovation or else there will be darkness!</p>
<p>Vishal</p>
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		<title>By: vishu</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2009/02/15/innovation-and-entrepreneurship-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-138001</link>
		<dc:creator>vishu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amit-
 &quot;Definitely there is the market for 300 million people and in fact that is what Atanu said - “it only needs execution of known innovations”.

I think the above statement may not be fully applicable as this 300 million are different. You cannot simply copy innovations from some other market.
Also innovation need not be tied to ipod and iphones of the world.
Meeting a need of the market in a cost effective way is innovation.
It can be in any field!

Vishal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amit-<br />
 &#8220;Definitely there is the market for 300 million people and in fact that is what Atanu said &#8211; “it only needs execution of known innovations”.</p>
<p>I think the above statement may not be fully applicable as this 300 million are different. You cannot simply copy innovations from some other market.<br />
Also innovation need not be tied to ipod and iphones of the world.<br />
Meeting a need of the market in a cost effective way is innovation.<br />
It can be in any field!</p>
<p>Vishal</p>
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		<title>By: pankaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>pankaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also Innovation Happens when there is a market for innovation ,people are open minded willing to try new products and lastly very important which is the bane of india lawlessness .innovators require strong protection from law so that their innovation is not copied by someone else.Does india have any of these HA!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also Innovation Happens when there is a market for innovation ,people are open minded willing to try new products and lastly very important which is the bane of india lawlessness .innovators require strong protection from law so that their innovation is not copied by someone else.Does india have any of these HA!.</p>
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		<title>By: tarang_72</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarang_72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 02:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why we are not able to pick low hanging fruits if those don&#039;t need innovation / entrepreneurhsip?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why we are not able to pick low hanging fruits if those don&#8217;t need innovation / entrepreneurhsip?</p>
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		<title>By: हिंदुस्तान में नायब ईजाद और धंधे में अगुआई &#171; भारत का विकास - अतनु डे</title>
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		<dc:creator>हिंदुस्तान में नायब ईजाद और धंधे में अगुआई &#171; भारत का विकास - अतनु डे</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sundar</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2009/02/15/innovation-and-entrepreneurship-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-137985</link>
		<dc:creator>Sundar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu,

Why not much innovation happens in Metros and Cities is intriguing. Poor ecosystem and low apetite for Risk are some of the reasons. 

Where did you get this statistics from:
&quot;There are an estimated 800 million Indians whose income is less than $2 per day, and an estimated 500 million with incomes is less than $1 per day.&quot;
I feel these income levels are very low and actual numbers could be two to three times this figure. If you consider in Purchasing power parity terms, it would be 10 to 20 times more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu,</p>
<p>Why not much innovation happens in Metros and Cities is intriguing. Poor ecosystem and low apetite for Risk are some of the reasons. </p>
<p>Where did you get this statistics from:<br />
&#8220;There are an estimated 800 million Indians whose income is less than $2 per day, and an estimated 500 million with incomes is less than $1 per day.&#8221;<br />
I feel these income levels are very low and actual numbers could be two to three times this figure. If you consider in Purchasing power parity terms, it would be 10 to 20 times more.</p>
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		<title>By: amit.shipra</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2009/02/15/innovation-and-entrepreneurship-in-india/comment-page-1/#comment-137981</link>
		<dc:creator>amit.shipra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article (as usual deep insights).

@Vishu: Definitely there is the market for 300 million people and in fact that is what Atanu said - &lt;i&gt;&quot;it only needs execution of known innovations&quot;&lt;/i&gt;.

I believe innovation&#039;s basic pre-requisite is &#039;demand/needs&#039; - of any sort. However, if the majority of junta in our country is mired in daily struggle then what sort of new &#039;innovative&#039; product do they demand/need. I mean how does it matter if you listen you fav. song via iPod or your 10 year old Sony walkman. How many do really care about the quality etc?  

So essentially, the basic perception of &#039;need&#039; is very different in two countries. I am sure if iPod would have been innovated in India - it would have been killed in its infancy. The problem is not with the innovation lacking people - its the link of innovation to the &#039;needs&#039; affecting the majority. The innovation which maintains this link are definite winners. For example, look at Micro-finance concept (recent financial innovation) - &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfinance&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Regionally the highest concentration of these accounts was in India (188 million accounts representing 18% of the total national population).&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article (as usual deep insights).</p>
<p>@Vishu: Definitely there is the market for 300 million people and in fact that is what Atanu said &#8211; <i>&#8220;it only needs execution of known innovations&#8221;</i>.</p>
<p>I believe innovation&#8217;s basic pre-requisite is &#8216;demand/needs&#8217; &#8211; of any sort. However, if the majority of junta in our country is mired in daily struggle then what sort of new &#8216;innovative&#8217; product do they demand/need. I mean how does it matter if you listen you fav. song via iPod or your 10 year old Sony walkman. How many do really care about the quality etc?  </p>
<p>So essentially, the basic perception of &#8216;need&#8217; is very different in two countries. I am sure if iPod would have been innovated in India &#8211; it would have been killed in its infancy. The problem is not with the innovation lacking people &#8211; its the link of innovation to the &#8216;needs&#8217; affecting the majority. The innovation which maintains this link are definite winners. For example, look at Micro-finance concept (recent financial innovation) &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfinance" rel="nofollow">Regionally the highest concentration of these accounts was in India (188 million accounts representing 18% of the total national population).</a></p>
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		<title>By: pankaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>pankaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu as u have already mentioned somewhere before Culture matters , it is no secret that us/europe/east asia has a strong progressive culture,which we lack ,they think for long term we short term, they are homogenous we are more varied than bhel puri.and lastly  as u were in usa for a long time u may have noticed that there or in east asia/europe, is a feeling of goodwill and benevolence among the public which is sorely missing here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu as u have already mentioned somewhere before Culture matters , it is no secret that us/europe/east asia has a strong progressive culture,which we lack ,they think for long term we short term, they are homogenous we are more varied than bhel puri.and lastly  as u were in usa for a long time u may have noticed that there or in east asia/europe, is a feeling of goodwill and benevolence among the public which is sorely missing here.</p>
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		<title>By: prateeksha</title>
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		<dc:creator>prateeksha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful. I guess, its not really innovation India is looking for, for its greater problems. It is courage. Now how does one develop the courage to take to entrepreneurship, with all the risks involved? That there is great chance of failure. What if the venture you&#039;ve started does not work out, what protection do you get? Maybe having two earning members in the family permits one to experiment, while the other provides steady sustenance. But, then if you plan to have more than one child, their education is the biggest sink for your earnings. I know its like that, because I know how much my parents have spent on me. 

Alright, there are VCs. Especially, ones who&#039;ve earned a sizable amount in a foreign country and are looking for investing in India. But, you won&#039;t find many of them. Maybe the attitude of the people will change if the policies of the government will change; them relaxing rules, or making it easier for people to start their own ventures. Government can play a huge role, positively. I&#039;d like to quote from an article: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/global/2001/0402/024.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Made in Taiwan&lt;/a&gt; I read in the Forbes,

&quot;How did Taiwan emerge as an electronics workshop to the world? The island has an abundance of relatively low-cost engineers, many of them returnees from the U.S., and strong connections to Silicon Valley. The Taiwan government stimulated the high-tech industry with tax and venture capital incentives. The country has a deeper technical and industrial base than its Southeast Asian neighbors. Taiwan&#039;s entrepreneurs have been much more adaptable than its competitors in Japan and Korea to the rapid change and short product cycles in the computer industry.&quot;

So, what does a &#039;budding&#039; entrepreneur do to make the planets work for him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful. I guess, its not really innovation India is looking for, for its greater problems. It is courage. Now how does one develop the courage to take to entrepreneurship, with all the risks involved? That there is great chance of failure. What if the venture you&#8217;ve started does not work out, what protection do you get? Maybe having two earning members in the family permits one to experiment, while the other provides steady sustenance. But, then if you plan to have more than one child, their education is the biggest sink for your earnings. I know its like that, because I know how much my parents have spent on me. </p>
<p>Alright, there are VCs. Especially, ones who&#8217;ve earned a sizable amount in a foreign country and are looking for investing in India. But, you won&#8217;t find many of them. Maybe the attitude of the people will change if the policies of the government will change; them relaxing rules, or making it easier for people to start their own ventures. Government can play a huge role, positively. I&#8217;d like to quote from an article: <a href="http://www.forbes.com/global/2001/0402/024.html" rel="nofollow">Made in Taiwan</a> I read in the Forbes,</p>
<p>&#8220;How did Taiwan emerge as an electronics workshop to the world? The island has an abundance of relatively low-cost engineers, many of them returnees from the U.S., and strong connections to Silicon Valley. The Taiwan government stimulated the high-tech industry with tax and venture capital incentives. The country has a deeper technical and industrial base than its Southeast Asian neighbors. Taiwan&#8217;s entrepreneurs have been much more adaptable than its competitors in Japan and Korea to the rapid change and short product cycles in the computer industry.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, what does a &#8216;budding&#8217; entrepreneur do to make the planets work for him?</p>
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		<title>By: vishu</title>
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		<dc:creator>vishu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also there are needs of 300 million people.
Can there be no innovation for this market.

Vishal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also there are needs of 300 million people.<br />
Can there be no innovation for this market.</p>
<p>Vishal</p>
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		<title>By: vishu</title>
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		<dc:creator>vishu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antanu - The questions to ponder is that will there be innovation and Entrepreneurship in India. Innovation happens in US is a known fact.

The penetration of Mobile is a kind of innovation for India. Nobody though that Mobiles would become so common.Indian IT is an innovation.
Is it comparable to way US Innovates. No way.
Will it ever become like US. Time will tell and the way it looks now
even if it is tough going now we will have more innovation and entrepreneurship. It will all depend on luck, as do may things happen in India. 

Vishal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antanu &#8211; The questions to ponder is that will there be innovation and Entrepreneurship in India. Innovation happens in US is a known fact.</p>
<p>The penetration of Mobile is a kind of innovation for India. Nobody though that Mobiles would become so common.Indian IT is an innovation.<br />
Is it comparable to way US Innovates. No way.<br />
Will it ever become like US. Time will tell and the way it looks now<br />
even if it is tough going now we will have more innovation and entrepreneurship. It will all depend on luck, as do may things happen in India. </p>
<p>Vishal</p>
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		<title>By: AG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu, i am not sure i agree with the line of reasoning.

Lack of innovation in india (which is not true by the way, will come to that) is not a result of subsistence existence.

Lack of innovation and subsistence existence are BOTH the results of socialism and nehruvian stalinism that india followed. And continues to follow.

Under socialism, the individual -- and everything he owns -- property, ideas, everything -- is stolen by the state, ostensibly for &quot;the general good&quot;.

As a result, no one has any incentives to innovate -- because there is no reward for taking that risk.

Despite this, innovation thrives in india -- especially in niches and areas where the octopus like tentacles of the state do not reach.

This includes in developing breakthrough economic models (think nano, and so many others), in identifying breakthrough areas to make money (e.g. at traffic lights, what not) or even in identifying breakthrough ways to make money while keeping the incubus like government of your back. Think Amul.

Where the state does reach, and enforces its &quot;government knows best&quot; policy, innovation is extinguished, to be replaced by subsistence. Think agriculture. india can be the food basket of the world, but it is not to be.

In sum, unless india discards socialism, it will not move beyond subsistence to innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu, i am not sure i agree with the line of reasoning.</p>
<p>Lack of innovation in india (which is not true by the way, will come to that) is not a result of subsistence existence.</p>
<p>Lack of innovation and subsistence existence are BOTH the results of socialism and nehruvian stalinism that india followed. And continues to follow.</p>
<p>Under socialism, the individual &#8212; and everything he owns &#8212; property, ideas, everything &#8212; is stolen by the state, ostensibly for &#8220;the general good&#8221;.</p>
<p>As a result, no one has any incentives to innovate &#8212; because there is no reward for taking that risk.</p>
<p>Despite this, innovation thrives in india &#8212; especially in niches and areas where the octopus like tentacles of the state do not reach.</p>
<p>This includes in developing breakthrough economic models (think nano, and so many others), in identifying breakthrough areas to make money (e.g. at traffic lights, what not) or even in identifying breakthrough ways to make money while keeping the incubus like government of your back. Think Amul.</p>
<p>Where the state does reach, and enforces its &#8220;government knows best&#8221; policy, innovation is extinguished, to be replaced by subsistence. Think agriculture. india can be the food basket of the world, but it is not to be.</p>
<p>In sum, unless india discards socialism, it will not move beyond subsistence to innovation.</p>
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