Comments on: On IITs, PanIIT, and the Funding of 50 New IITs http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:41:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Worth a read « Outlandish Musings | Rehab G. Chougle http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130223 Worth a read « Outlandish Musings | Rehab G. Chougle Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:53:19 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130223 [...] a read Atanu Dey has a written a brilliant post on IITian smugness. Its worth a [...] [...] a read Atanu Dey has a written a brilliant post on IITian smugness. Its worth a [...]

]]> By: deebuv http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130081 deebuv Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:31:04 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130081 I think this problem of subsidizing education in India applies to all Universities and Colleges. If you look at Delhi University, they charge about Rs. 8000 in tuition for one year of education! So, an elite student gets to study at the likes of St. Stephens, Hindu, HansRaj, LSR for just Rs. 24000! That is precisely the cost of education for one semester at an IIT. I guess the main goal for the Government should be to hike the fees substantially and then provide Grants/Loans for the needy (which by itself is difficult to determine). This will be similar to the concept of FAFSA in US education system. I think this problem of subsidizing education in India applies to all Universities and Colleges. If you look at Delhi University, they charge about Rs. 8000 in tuition for one year of education! So, an elite student gets to study at the likes of St. Stephens, Hindu, HansRaj, LSR for just Rs. 24000! That is precisely the cost of education for one semester at an IIT. I guess the main goal for the Government should be to hike the fees substantially and then provide Grants/Loans for the needy (which by itself is difficult to determine). This will be similar to the concept of FAFSA in US education system.

]]> By: Jayant http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130065 Jayant Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:51:12 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130065 Sometimes wonder whether IIT stands for Institute of Indian Technology? Most (NOT ALL) of the IITians I have met, have been pompous, self-opinionated, disconnected baffoons, with very little useable knowledge. It's only the severity of the entrance exam that puts the IITs in a different league - thereafter one gets served the usual third rate Indian education. Sometimes wonder whether IIT stands for Institute of Indian Technology?
Most (NOT ALL) of the IITians I have met, have been pompous, self-opinionated, disconnected baffoons, with very little useable knowledge.
It’s only the severity of the entrance exam that puts the IITs in a different league – thereafter one gets served the usual third rate Indian education.

]]> By: nagp http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130064 nagp Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:44:38 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130064 I think IITs, or for that matter other educational institutions, should be made autonomous for this inter-generational loan transfer solution to work. Lest we will have scandals and all the money will be siphoned off by the leaders. We need to take the Govt out of the picture - because that is where most of the imbeciles live. -nagp I think IITs, or for that matter other educational institutions, should be made autonomous for this inter-generational loan transfer solution to work. Lest we will have scandals and all the money will be siphoned off by the leaders. We need to take the Govt out of the picture – because that is where most of the imbeciles live.

-nagp

]]> By: BytePro http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130062 BytePro Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:19:02 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130062 Atanu, 1. That the intergenerational loan is different from taxes could also be added. It avoids the middle man who does the "take-from-peter-to-pay-paul" way. 2. The same idea could be used to fund primary education, and a small back-of-the-envelope estimate suggests that it is possible to pull it off, albeit over a larger gap. Is it possible to introduce profit motive too? That is to add a "direct" component in contrast to the indirect benefit of the current scheme in the hope of scaling up. Atanu,

1. That the intergenerational loan is different from taxes could also be added. It avoids the middle man who does the “take-from-peter-to-pay-paul” way.

2. The same idea could be used to fund primary education, and a small back-of-the-envelope estimate suggests that it is possible to pull it off, albeit over a larger gap. Is it possible to introduce profit motive too? That is to add a “direct” component in contrast to the indirect benefit of the current scheme in the hope of scaling up.

]]> By: Vaidehi http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130052 Vaidehi Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:54:29 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130052 Look at the kind of role models we choose. hemamalini (MP btw) recently travelled by train in Tamil Nadu without a ticket. When apprehended by the TTE shamelessly replied: " My sponsor forgot to hand over the ticket ". Obviously the filmstar besotted TTE let her travel. The " eminent speakers " remind of the following faux pas by one such vapid person during an exhibition of Rodin's Sculptures in Birla Academy in Kolkata. She walked in asking one of the volunteers : " I would like to be introduced to Mr.Rodin." Look at the kind of role models we choose.

hemamalini (MP btw) recently travelled by train in Tamil Nadu without a ticket. When apprehended by the TTE shamelessly replied:

” My sponsor forgot to hand over the ticket “.

Obviously the filmstar besotted TTE let her travel.

The ” eminent speakers ” remind of the following faux pas by one such vapid person during an exhibition of Rodin’s Sculptures in Birla Academy in Kolkata.

She walked in asking one of the volunteers :

” I would like to be introduced to Mr.Rodin.”

]]> By: Dsylexic http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130037 Dsylexic Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:08:16 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130037 Though the self sustaining intergenerational loan payoff sounds interesting,I am worried that such a scheme would provide no incentives for the colleges to keep the fees low an maintain a lean and mean faculty size. The US student is essentially studying on a loan based system and no wonder the fees are thru the roof and the university has a lot of flab it carries around . Just a point to ponder. Though the self sustaining intergenerational loan payoff sounds interesting,I am worried that such a scheme would provide no incentives for the colleges to keep the fees low an maintain a lean and mean faculty size.
The US student is essentially studying on a loan based system and no wonder the fees are thru the roof and the university has a lot of flab it carries around .
Just a point to ponder.

]]> By: Atanu Dey http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130036 Atanu Dey Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:23:54 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130036 Pravesh: You write, "However, blaming IITians squarely for this mess is not entirely true." I wonder who blamed the IITians for the mess. I certainly did not. Care to clarify, please? Pravesh:

You write, “However, blaming IITians squarely for this mess is not entirely true.”

I wonder who blamed the IITians for the mess. I certainly did not. Care to clarify, please?

]]> By: praveshb http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130035 praveshb Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:36:14 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130035 Hello Atanu, 1. Wholeheartedly agree with your points. However, blaming IITians squarely for this mess is not entirely true. It should have been govt. policy and the voted mindedness of our hallowed politicians. Expecting people to pay back unasked items is like living in a world, that does not exist. 2. Your argument is also true for all the other "good" colleges, like IIMs, NIT, Medical colleges, JNU etc. 3. Other point that I dont agree on is the self-absorbed nature of IITians. Probably its true for the initial years, when they are still kids, but the IITian tag seems to loose its shine. Hello Atanu,

1. Wholeheartedly agree with your points. However, blaming IITians squarely for this mess is not entirely true. It should have been govt. policy and the voted mindedness of our hallowed politicians. Expecting people to pay back unasked items is like living in a world, that does not exist.

2. Your argument is also true for all the other “good” colleges, like IIMs, NIT, Medical colleges, JNU etc.

3. Other point that I dont agree on is the self-absorbed nature of IITians. Probably its true for the initial years, when they are still kids, but the IITian tag seems to loose its shine.

]]> By: pankaj http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130033 pankaj Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:23:14 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130033 Atanu just think if IIT and iitians were not there india would have been poor, miserable and backward country nor would we have been superpower : ) Atanu just think if IIT and iitians were not there india would have been poor, miserable and backward country nor would we have been superpower : )

]]> By: Amit http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/comment-page-1/#comment-130004 Amit Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:03:53 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/10/07/on-iits-paniit-and-the-funding-of-50-new-iits/#comment-130004 I passed out from IIIT, Hyderabad. Alumni formed has been very recent ( since insti itself established in 1998 ). One of the goals is to provide the loans to the needy students. Wonder what IITians could do ! :) I passed out from IIIT, Hyderabad. Alumni formed has been very recent ( since insti itself established in 1998 ). One of the goals is to provide the loans to the needy students.
Wonder what IITians could do ! :)

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