Comments on: Reservations in the Indian educational system — Part 3 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/04/18/reservations-in-the-indian-educational-system-part-3/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:41:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: pankaj http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/04/18/reservations-in-the-indian-educational-system-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-118087 pankaj Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:54:23 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/04/18/reservations-in-the-indian-educational-system-part-3/#comment-118087 Real Issue is not reservation but population growth i e over population.Indian has and is producing more than it can take care of. Real Issue is not reservation but population growth i e over population.Indian has and is producing more than it can take care of.

]]> By: Reservation and Artificial Shortages | DesiPundit http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/04/18/reservations-in-the-indian-educational-system-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-117925 Reservation and Artificial Shortages | DesiPundit Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:14:34 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/04/18/reservations-in-the-indian-educational-system-part-3/#comment-117925 [...] seats are now being divided among various groups with the Government acting as the pizza cutter. Atanu takes a look at this issue from the demand and supply perspective and says: The shortage arises from the limited supply of [...] [...] seats are now being divided among various groups with the Government acting as the pizza cutter. Atanu takes a look at this issue from the demand and supply perspective and says: The shortage arises from the limited supply of [...]

]]> By: lurker http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/04/18/reservations-in-the-indian-educational-system-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-117921 lurker Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:12:46 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/04/18/reservations-in-the-indian-educational-system-part-3/#comment-117921 "That shortage of seats is mandated by the government. The government mandates the shortage and then assigns itself the power to dictate how the rationing of seats will be done. " How I wish it were true! At least it would have given us the satisfaction of understanding the root cause. Unfortunately, Atanu in his entusiasm to fit theories to facts has gotten it all wrong. The limitation of seats mandated by government is only in relation to student-teacher ratio and infrastructural facilities. If you can provide a 40-1 ratio in a medical college, you are free to open a private medical school with a hundred thousand seats (provided you have other infrastructural facilities). "First, remove all restrictions on entry into the provision of higher education. Any institution willing to get into the business of higher education should be allowed. " Please, please. For heavens sake, open your eyes! It is already so. Any institution willing to get into the business of higher education is allowed to do so. If you do not follow government's guidelines, you do not get government recognition. That's it. Except for Medical degrees, government recognition is needed only when you want to go into a government job. Whether you have government recognition or not, no body is going to stop you from opening new colleges. Billion dollar empire of NIIT was created all without government recognition. "And once again, there should be no restrictions on who can supply foundational education (FE)." Here it comes again! Repeating something over and over again does not make it true. There is no restriction on who can supply foundational education. You can even start a school in your own backyard and charge whatever you like. No body will stop you. " There is no reason to believe that the government will be able to provide higher education more effectively and efficiently than private firms for the simple reason that the government cannot and has not ever been more effective and efficient than the private sector. " May be. May be not. I will take IIT and AIIMS education any day over private run colleges. There is mushrooming of private engineering colleges in Maharashtra and South but I think hardly any private engineering college will figure in India's top 10/50/100. ~Manish “That shortage of seats is mandated by the government. The government mandates the shortage and then assigns itself the power to dictate how the rationing of seats will be done. ”

How I wish it were true!

At least it would have given us the satisfaction of understanding the root cause.

Unfortunately, Atanu in his entusiasm to fit theories to facts has gotten it all wrong. The limitation of seats mandated by government is only in relation to student-teacher ratio and infrastructural facilities. If you can provide a 40-1 ratio in a medical college, you are free to open a private medical school with a hundred thousand seats (provided you have other infrastructural facilities).

“First, remove all restrictions on entry into the provision of higher education. Any institution willing to get into the business of higher education should be allowed. ”

Please, please. For heavens sake, open your eyes! It is already so. Any institution willing to get into the business of higher education is allowed to do so. If you do not follow government’s guidelines, you do not get government recognition. That’s it. Except for Medical degrees, government recognition is needed only when you want to go into a government job.

Whether you have government recognition or not, no body is going to stop you from opening new colleges. Billion dollar empire of NIIT was created all without government recognition.

“And once again, there should be no restrictions on who can supply foundational education (FE).”

Here it comes again!

Repeating something over and over again does not make it true.

There is no restriction on who can supply foundational education. You can even start a school in your own backyard and charge whatever you like. No body will stop you.

” There is no reason to believe that the government will be able to provide higher education more effectively and efficiently than private firms for the simple reason that the government cannot and has not ever been more effective and efficient than the private sector. ”

May be. May be not.

I will take IIT and AIIMS education any day over private run colleges. There is mushrooming of private engineering colleges in Maharashtra and South but I think hardly any private engineering college will figure in India’s top 10/50/100.

~Manish

]]> By: The Rational Fool http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/04/18/reservations-in-the-indian-educational-system-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-117912 The Rational Fool Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:57:34 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/04/18/reservations-in-the-indian-educational-system-part-3/#comment-117912 <blockquote> The worse thing it [government] uses very sticky fingers in moving wealth around and therefore it has an incentive to move as much wealth as it can. </blockquote> :) Permission to quote? Thanks. You are being more charitable (but more precise) than I have been, though. I usually compare government to <a href="http://therationalfool.blogspot.com/2006/10/red-monkey.html" rel="nofollow">the monkey</a>. The cats get nothing!

The worse thing it [government] uses very sticky fingers in moving wealth around and therefore it has an incentive to move as much wealth as it can.

:) Permission to quote? Thanks.

You are being more charitable (but more precise) than I have been, though. I usually compare government to the monkey. The cats get nothing!

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