Comments on: Rajivspeak is getting out of hand http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:41:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: vasudevan http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-116309 vasudevan Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:01:02 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-116309 sorry for the out-of-context comment but since there is a definite demand-supply imbalance, one needs to ferret into whatever is available. sorry for the out-of-context comment but since there is a definite demand-supply imbalance, one needs to ferret into whatever is available.

]]> By: vasudevan http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-116308 vasudevan Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:00:03 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-116308 sri sri ravisankar solved my migraine problem. so he must be good. as regards his being a demi-god...well...hinduism always believed in having a crowd of gods. so what if...one more? in any case democracy rules there. sri sri can sit on the same swing with khushboo... sri sri ravisankar solved my migraine problem. so he must be good. as regards his being a demi-god…well…hinduism always believed in having a crowd of gods. so what if…one more? in any case democracy rules there. sri sri can sit on the same swing with khushboo…

]]> By: MinCat http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115656 MinCat Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:48:19 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115656 Ah! Finally! It lets me comment. Very funny and certainly a good point, but here's a thought, perhaps the reason people speak like this is simply that it is very difficult, especially in the supposedly linguistically homogeneous north, to find an audience and an orator who are actually fluent enough in one single language that they understand the shuddh Hindi for exacerbate. I wonder if one could do a survey and see how much English is in a speech made in Thirunelveli or Thekkady. Could it have something to do with the level of education available in that language, in that Tamil Nadu, Kerala and West Bengal are definitely three states where they make a very big deal about fluency in the local language, and the most bhadra of the bhadralok are very comfortable in the state language. Of course, Rajivji (couldn't resist) was highly educated in English, and from a family where they probably spoke English in the house, making his knowledge of Hindi, or Nagamese, or Tamil, or any of our eighteen official languages sparse. Ah! Finally! It lets me comment. Very funny and certainly a good point, but here’s a thought, perhaps the reason people speak like this is simply that it is very difficult, especially in the supposedly linguistically homogeneous north, to find an audience and an orator who are actually fluent enough in one single language that they understand the shuddh Hindi for exacerbate. I wonder if one could do a survey and see how much English is in a speech made in Thirunelveli or Thekkady. Could it have something to do with the level of education available in that language, in that Tamil Nadu, Kerala and West Bengal are definitely three states where they make a very big deal about fluency in the local language, and the most bhadra of the bhadralok are very comfortable in the state language. Of course, Rajivji (couldn’t resist) was highly educated in English, and from a family where they probably spoke English in the house, making his knowledge of Hindi, or Nagamese, or Tamil, or any of our eighteen official languages sparse.

]]> By: Atanu Dey http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115654 Atanu Dey Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:43:31 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115654 Lurker (#12): I believe that you have not quite understood the point of my post. The point was that rajivspeak demonstrates that the speaker does not know how to speak in either of the languages. I don't care if the person speaks in Hindi, Urdu, English, Swahili, or Romulan. My complaint related to the inability of the speaker to speak a language, or any language. That you don't know how to speak either Hindi or English and are forced to speak a bastardized language is not a shining medal to be worn with pride. Stupid is not cool. Stupid is just stupid. BTW, disdaining people's inability to express themselves adequately in any language is not a "firangi mindset." It is a matter of reasonableness. For chrissake, learn at least one language so that if you have something worthwhile to express, you can do it competently. Lurker (#12):

I believe that you have not quite understood the point of my post. The point was that rajivspeak demonstrates that the speaker does not know how to speak in either of the languages. I don’t care if the person speaks in Hindi, Urdu, English, Swahili, or Romulan. My complaint related to the inability of the speaker to speak a language, or any language.

That you don’t know how to speak either Hindi or English and are forced to speak a bastardized language is not a shining medal to be worn with pride. Stupid is not cool. Stupid is just stupid.

BTW, disdaining people’s inability to express themselves adequately in any language is not a “firangi mindset.” It is a matter of reasonableness. For chrissake, learn at least one language so that if you have something worthwhile to express, you can do it competently.

]]> By: socal http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115592 socal Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:07:32 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115592 There's some non sequitur in saying that suggesting alternate words reflects trivial dislike. Preference for certain words over others is entirely personal. What is not understandable is mocking one and celebrating other as future. Now, for a generation which anoints a stammering yo-yo as a star is certainly entitled to declare itself the way it wants, but I doubt that speech dyslexia can ever pass off for future. And that's precisely what 'Rajivspeak' is--a cute euphemism for speech dyslexia. There’s some non sequitur in saying that suggesting alternate words reflects trivial dislike. Preference for certain words over others is entirely personal.

What is not understandable is mocking one and celebrating other as future.

Now, for a generation which anoints a stammering yo-yo as a star is certainly entitled to declare itself the way it wants, but I doubt that speech dyslexia can ever pass off for future. And that’s precisely what ‘Rajivspeak’ is–a cute euphemism for speech dyslexia.

]]> By: Amit http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115561 Amit Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:45:08 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115561 All this discussion and hand-wringing about someone mixing Hindi and English words, and not using <i>shuddh</i> Hindi is happening in English. Oh, sweet irony!! All this discussion and hand-wringing about someone mixing Hindi and English words, and not using shuddh Hindi is happening in English. Oh, sweet irony!!

]]> By: lurker http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115516 lurker Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:03:48 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115516 I think your disdain for rajivspeak simply reflects your firangi mindset. eg. Here's a wonderful interview with 4 IIM guys who started a spa - http://youthcurry.blogspot.com/2008/03/young-entrepreneur-series-iv.html Its entirely rajivspeak. Notice how easily they switch between English & Hindi mid-sentence & don't have any hangups. Personally, I love rajivspeak & think rajivspeak, walk rajivspeak, talk rajivspeak etc. And fyi nobody says shakti, bal , jal, vivah, pitaaji etc. People say paani, taqat, shaadi byaah baap, mere dad. Kaam chal jata hai. You will have to go back to pre 1990 Doordarshan days for vyavastha, poorntaya, pathan, vitaran and other chaste hindi examples your readers came up with. Rajivspeak, bambaiyya, that's India's future. Do you watch any Bollywood at all or is it just BBC News on Akashvani SWII ? I think your disdain for rajivspeak simply reflects your firangi mindset.
eg. Here’s a wonderful interview with 4 IIM guys who started a spa -
http://youthcurry.blogspot.com/2008/03/young-entrepreneur-series-iv.html
Its entirely rajivspeak. Notice how easily they switch between English & Hindi mid-sentence & don’t have any hangups. Personally, I love rajivspeak & think rajivspeak, walk rajivspeak, talk rajivspeak etc. And fyi nobody says shakti, bal , jal, vivah, pitaaji etc. People say paani, taqat, shaadi byaah baap, mere dad. Kaam chal jata hai. You will have to go back to pre 1990 Doordarshan days for vyavastha, poorntaya, pathan, vitaran and other chaste hindi examples your readers came up with. Rajivspeak, bambaiyya, that’s India’s future. Do you watch any Bollywood at all or is it just BBC News on Akashvani SWII ?

]]> By: Notsure http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115508 Notsure Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:04:40 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115508 Idiotic nonidiotic mixing, A living language has these. I have always prefered lowbrow single finger salutes than Highbrow wags of finger. koi badi bat nahin hai boss. English mein jungle hai, khaki hai, juggernaut hai... Now if hindi gets kaizen kureitsu that will be good too Idiotic nonidiotic mixing, A living language has these. I have always prefered lowbrow single finger salutes than Highbrow wags of finger.
koi badi bat nahin hai boss.
English mein jungle hai, khaki hai, juggernaut hai…
Now if hindi gets kaizen kureitsu that will be good too

]]> By: socal http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115470 socal Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:26:00 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115470 Few more: halat=paristithi, avastha, vyavastha taqat=bal, shakti bigadti= vikaT baanti= vitaraN aur= adhik puri tarah=poorNa taya, poorNa roop se duniya ki ...=vishwa ki koi shakti hame parajit na kar sakti gira=patan, asthir, vichal May be more. thanks. you made me register, finally. Few more:

halat=paristithi, avastha, vyavastha

taqat=bal, shakti

bigadti= vikaT

baanti= vitaraN

aur= adhik

puri tarah=poorNa taya, poorNa roop se

duniya ki …=vishwa ki koi shakti hame parajit na kar sakti

gira=patan, asthir, vichal

May be more.

thanks. you made me register, finally.

]]> By: anonymous coward http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115469 anonymous coward Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:41:10 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115469 Atanu, You caught me on that one :). I guess the necessary changes are: halat = stithi taqat = shakti Atanu,

You caught me on that one :) .
I guess the necessary changes are:
halat = stithi
taqat = shakti

]]> By: Amit http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115468 Amit Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:23:46 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115468 The villagers were probably paid by the local Congress organizers to be at the rally. That's how these rallies work, irrespective of parties. The villagers were probably paid by the local Congress organizers to be at the rally. That’s how these rallies work, irrespective of parties.

]]> By: vcbothra http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115467 vcbothra Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:33:10 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115467 This is too funny to be true. Just visualise the poor dhoti-clad villagers squatting and looking up to their leader on the podium!! I can even hear a few of them muttering WTF! :-D This is too funny to be true.

Just visualise the poor dhoti-clad villagers squatting and looking up to their leader on the podium!!

I can even hear a few of them muttering WTF! :-D

]]> By: anirudhbhati http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115466 anirudhbhati Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:16:19 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115466 And even if he would have been able to deliver it in chaste Hindi, most of the Bengali villagers would have been at sea. And even if he would have been able to deliver it in chaste Hindi, most of the Bengali villagers would have been at sea.

]]> By: vasudevan http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115456 vasudevan Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:16:16 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115456 talking about advertisements and idiotic, illiterate indians, have you seen the ad for some mobile phone which stars that female (some ex-actress in bollywood...she is a bengi but i forget her name). nyway...this ad has some stupid females saying ...'wow!...how!...wow!. ...stupid indians! <em>[Edited for inappropriate content.]</em> talking about advertisements and idiotic, illiterate indians, have you seen the ad for some mobile phone which stars that female (some ex-actress in bollywood…she is a bengi but i forget her name).
nyway…this ad has some stupid females saying …’wow!…how!…wow!. …stupid indians!

[Edited for inappropriate content.]

]]> By: vasudevan http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115455 vasudevan Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:03:36 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115455 funny confused desi...this rajiv guy! at least his italian madam tries to do it better! hale luya! funny confused desi…this rajiv guy! at least his italian madam tries to do it better! hale luya!

]]> By: Atanu Dey http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115454 Atanu Dey Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:06:53 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115454 Thanks Anonymous Coward. But is "taqat" (and many other words in your translation) a Hindi word or is it Urdu? Wouldn't "shakti" be the appropriate translation? Thanks Anonymous Coward. But is “taqat” (and many other words in your translation) a Hindi word or is it Urdu? Wouldn’t “shakti” be the appropriate translation?

]]> By: anonymous coward http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115428 anonymous coward Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:31:41 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115428 The Hindi translation, done with the help of a couple of friends: desh ki arthic halat bigadti jaa rahi hai. panchvarshiya yojanaon me nirdharit rashi uchit prakar se nahi baanti gayi jisse ki samasyayn aur gambhir ho gayin hain. humein poori tarah satark rehenge ki yogjanaon ka theek prakar se kriyanvayan ho. krishi jagat main arthic sahayata ko sahi prakar se prayog karne aur nihit hiton ka milkar saamna karenge humein dekhna hai ki hum ek jut ho kar apne hiton ki raksha karte hain ... to duniya ki koi taqat humein gira nahi sakti! Please feel free to correct me (and translate in more Indian languages) :P! The Hindi translation, done with the help of a couple of friends:

desh ki arthic halat bigadti jaa rahi hai. panchvarshiya yojanaon me nirdharit rashi uchit prakar se nahi baanti gayi jisse ki samasyayn aur gambhir ho gayin hain. humein poori tarah satark rehenge ki yogjanaon ka theek prakar se kriyanvayan ho. krishi jagat main arthic sahayata ko sahi prakar se prayog karne aur nihit hiton ka milkar saamna karenge
humein dekhna hai ki hum ek jut ho kar apne hiton ki raksha karte hain … to duniya ki koi taqat humein gira nahi sakti!

Please feel free to correct me (and translate in more Indian languages) :P !

]]> By: chenchu0987 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-115427 chenchu0987 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:43:08 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/03/17/rajivspeak-is-getting-out-of-hand/#comment-115427 Oh my god! Did this really happen? India must have attained the zenith of mediocrity in the 70's and 80's. How on god's earth did these dolts come to power? After all dont you need at least some cunning and intelligence to get to the top? Oh my god! Did this really happen?
India must have attained the zenith of mediocrity in the 70’s and 80’s.
How on god’s earth did these dolts come to power? After all dont you need at least some cunning and intelligence to get to the top?

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