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		<title>By: Notsure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notsure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu:
Would you explain your US citizenship wrt this matter?
a citizenship that you mostlikey took by choice and not by birth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu:<br />
Would you explain your US citizenship wrt this matter?<br />
a citizenship that you mostlikey took by choice and not by birth</p>
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		<title>By: Atanu Dey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atanu Dey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>India was -- and is -- important to the US simply because India is a large country. So, yes, India does matter. That is why the US needs a lever to control India. Pakistan serves that purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>India was &#8212; and is &#8212; important to the US simply because India is a large country. So, yes, India does matter. That is why the US needs a lever to control India. Pakistan serves that purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: day_dreamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>day_dreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I think the beginning of your article assumes that India was important enough for US to interfere with Pakistan. Might be a totally stupid question but I was wondering could you explain why?

Or am I misreading something?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I think the beginning of your article assumes that India was important enough for US to interfere with Pakistan. Might be a totally stupid question but I was wondering could you explain why?</p>
<p>Or am I misreading something?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Comment on Quo Vadis, Pakistan by No Democracy in Pakistan. Ever &#8230; &#124; Political news - democrats republicans socialists greens liberals conservatives</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post by No Democracy in Pakistan. Ever. &#124; DesiPundit         This was written by . Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007, at 11:03 am. Filed under [...]</description>
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		<title>By: No Democracy in Pakistan. Ever. &#124; DesiPundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Democracy in Pakistan. Ever. &#124; DesiPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] paints a bleak picture of Pakistan&#8217;s future and explains how United States&#8217; hegemonic control keeps democracy at bay in our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Notsure</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WRT pakistan what has india done about the situation.
Pranab M. was in US recently but apart from seranading the great Indira and Rajiv what has he been able to accomplish?
US offered India a deal that allows it to buy nuclear fuel and Indians themselves pushed it aside in the near $100/barrel oil prices all the while running Indian nuclear reactors at quater the capacity.
Pakistan is great at securing its goal with US despite having been involved with 2 WTC bombings and many other anti-US activity.
Who is to blame but the Indians for not having good relations with US?

And Hey Atanu arent you a US citizen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRT pakistan what has india done about the situation.<br />
Pranab M. was in US recently but apart from seranading the great Indira and Rajiv what has he been able to accomplish?<br />
US offered India a deal that allows it to buy nuclear fuel and Indians themselves pushed it aside in the near $100/barrel oil prices all the while running Indian nuclear reactors at quater the capacity.<br />
Pakistan is great at securing its goal with US despite having been involved with 2 WTC bombings and many other anti-US activity.<br />
Who is to blame but the Indians for not having good relations with US?</p>
<p>And Hey Atanu arent you a US citizen?</p>
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		<title>By: Nitin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu,

Excellent post---and I say this not because I agree with everything you write, but because it&#039;s internally consistent and allows one to extrapolate. And I also agree with the primary conclusion: that America will call the shots. 

The problem I have with your thesis is at the beginning. While I hold no brief for Nehru&#039;s socialism nor the naivete underpinning his foreign policy there are two factors you must consider: 

(a) John Foster Dulles and his early with-us-or-against-us logic. Quite obviously a newly independent India was unlikely to sign-up to dance to another pipers&#039; tunes. Then also the bit you mentioned about democracies not being too biddable. You must read the accounts of Chester Bowles, the first ambassador, and the cold warriors at the State department. The United States itself cannot escape responsibility for the estrangement.

(b) That non-alignment was a realist response in the beginning. In the early days it was really non-alignment. But things began to go downhill when non-alignment became unsustainable---first for other smaller, non-aligned states, and then for India itself. That Nehruvian naivete and Krishna Menon&#039;s madness was driving day-to-day affairs didn&#039;t help; for non-alignment, by definition is a tightrope. In time ossification and dogmatism converted the policy for the time to a policy for all times, and India began to embrace non-alignment as a foreign policy religion. 

So, the point is not so much that US preference for Pakistan was driven by India&#039;s closeness to the Soviets but because &lt;em&gt;it was inevitable&lt;/em&gt;. 

The geopolitics of the time required a Pakistan to be created to act as a counterbalance to India. From the acts of British officers in what is now Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Nagaland to Britain&#039;s conduct over the Kashmir issue during and after it was taken to the UN suggests that they wanted a Pakistan that could hold up their interests in the region (especially after India would break into several smaller states).

Such is the tragedy of &lt;em&gt;realpolitik&lt;/em&gt; that this outcome was inevitable given (a) the creation of Pakistan (b) India&#039;s commitment to  an independent foreign policy. Cold Warriors could not accept a neutral player without hedging against the neutral turning hostile (by creating counter weights). But in many ways, cold warriors were justified in doing what they did.  The risk of a large, geopolitically important state like India falling into the Communist sphere could not be dismissed---not least after Nehru had chosen a socialist path for the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu,</p>
<p>Excellent post&#8212;and I say this not because I agree with everything you write, but because it&#8217;s internally consistent and allows one to extrapolate. And I also agree with the primary conclusion: that America will call the shots. </p>
<p>The problem I have with your thesis is at the beginning. While I hold no brief for Nehru&#8217;s socialism nor the naivete underpinning his foreign policy there are two factors you must consider: </p>
<p>(a) John Foster Dulles and his early with-us-or-against-us logic. Quite obviously a newly independent India was unlikely to sign-up to dance to another pipers&#8217; tunes. Then also the bit you mentioned about democracies not being too biddable. You must read the accounts of Chester Bowles, the first ambassador, and the cold warriors at the State department. The United States itself cannot escape responsibility for the estrangement.</p>
<p>(b) That non-alignment was a realist response in the beginning. In the early days it was really non-alignment. But things began to go downhill when non-alignment became unsustainable&#8212;first for other smaller, non-aligned states, and then for India itself. That Nehruvian naivete and Krishna Menon&#8217;s madness was driving day-to-day affairs didn&#8217;t help; for non-alignment, by definition is a tightrope. In time ossification and dogmatism converted the policy for the time to a policy for all times, and India began to embrace non-alignment as a foreign policy religion. </p>
<p>So, the point is not so much that US preference for Pakistan was driven by India&#8217;s closeness to the Soviets but because <em>it was inevitable</em>. </p>
<p>The geopolitics of the time required a Pakistan to be created to act as a counterbalance to India. From the acts of British officers in what is now Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Nagaland to Britain&#8217;s conduct over the Kashmir issue during and after it was taken to the UN suggests that they wanted a Pakistan that could hold up their interests in the region (especially after India would break into several smaller states).</p>
<p>Such is the tragedy of <em>realpolitik</em> that this outcome was inevitable given (a) the creation of Pakistan (b) India&#8217;s commitment to  an independent foreign policy. Cold Warriors could not accept a neutral player without hedging against the neutral turning hostile (by creating counter weights). But in many ways, cold warriors were justified in doing what they did.  The risk of a large, geopolitically important state like India falling into the Communist sphere could not be dismissed&#8212;not least after Nehru had chosen a socialist path for the economy.</p>
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