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		<title>By: Notsure</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/11/03/losads/comment-page-1/#comment-111314</link>
		<dc:creator>Notsure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Demand for Cheap Labor?
there is a demand but at the same time those doing the job dont necessarily pop out babies left and right.
My parents were poor.  But they only had one kid. Being upper caste and a desire to upward mobile may have something to do with it.
South Korea and Taiwan were both producing low cost items for a while.
Sneakers were from korea till early 90;s in US and Tshirts were from tiawan till early 80&#039;s
Japan was known for labor intensive low cost an d low quality goods till mid 60&#039;s 
 One of the reason Sony was able to capitalize on early transistors being flaky was cheap labor(nearly all women) sitting and testing them.
and all these countries didnt pop babies out.
and all of them transitioned within 15-20 years into something more stable.
I dont buy that arguement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Demand for Cheap Labor?<br />
there is a demand but at the same time those doing the job dont necessarily pop out babies left and right.<br />
My parents were poor.  But they only had one kid. Being upper caste and a desire to upward mobile may have something to do with it.<br />
South Korea and Taiwan were both producing low cost items for a while.<br />
Sneakers were from korea till early 90;s in US and Tshirts were from tiawan till early 80&#8217;s<br />
Japan was known for labor intensive low cost an d low quality goods till mid 60&#8217;s<br />
 One of the reason Sony was able to capitalize on early transistors being flaky was cheap labor(nearly all women) sitting and testing them.<br />
and all these countries didnt pop babies out.<br />
and all of them transitioned within 15-20 years into something more stable.<br />
I dont buy that arguement.</p>
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		<title>By: Notsure</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/11/03/losads/comment-page-1/#comment-111313</link>
		<dc:creator>Notsure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to address the 2 ramblings separately.
Regarding Public Flogging
I am not for public flogging for taste reason as well as practical reason. If I enjoyed that kind of stuff 
I would have circumcised my self and begged to be accepted as a quraishi and would beg for saudi citizenship.

The non taste practical position is based on recent observation.  
If you do recall there have been more than one incident recently of police being caught on camera nearly flogging people what do you attribute that to?
There is a social contract most indians have agreed to wrt the gand pe danda when it comes from the mamas and the taus.

What i see happening is another outspoken kid 
being whipped and flogged for questioning if Indira gandhi was great rather than a movie actor being showed with a chinkaras horn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to address the 2 ramblings separately.<br />
Regarding Public Flogging<br />
I am not for public flogging for taste reason as well as practical reason. If I enjoyed that kind of stuff<br />
I would have circumcised my self and begged to be accepted as a quraishi and would beg for saudi citizenship.</p>
<p>The non taste practical position is based on recent observation.<br />
If you do recall there have been more than one incident recently of police being caught on camera nearly flogging people what do you attribute that to?<br />
There is a social contract most indians have agreed to wrt the gand pe danda when it comes from the mamas and the taus.</p>
<p>What i see happening is another outspoken kid<br />
being whipped and flogged for questioning if Indira gandhi was great rather than a movie actor being showed with a chinkaras horn.</p>
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		<title>By: chaitanya</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/11/03/losads/comment-page-1/#comment-111286</link>
		<dc:creator>chaitanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The price of a good-or-service certainly does act in the way described by Atanu in his four principles of supply-demand in the first paragraph. However, there is a fifth principle which he din&#039;t mention: When the price is altered by the external forces such a government legislation to suit a parcticular public policy goal, the demand &amp; supply of that good-or-service will change in the market place.

Atanu&#039;s BELIEF or OPINION is that prices should never be mucked with. This is clear from his argument against politicians who try to &quot;legislate prices&quot;. Fair enough. That&#039;s his opinion. But, it does NOT mean supply-demand is a LAW of nature like gravity. It is a policy TOOL. Now, whether or not legislating prices results in good or bad, depends on case by case basis. We may call it a &quot;law&quot; in so far that, when supply and demand alter, the prices will adjust. But, there is certainly no law-of-nature that prices of something should NEVER be legislated.

I&#039;ve brought up the point because its a favorite ploy by free-market enthusiasts to project supply-demand as a law-of-nature, to justify their policy positions.

Lets take a simple example. Suppose governments wanted to cut the usage of paper for environmental reasons. They could heavily tax paper, and that would alter the supply &amp; demand of paper in the marketplace. We can argue whether legislation of this kind results in desired goals or if it has any side effects, but there is no god-given-law that price  of paper should never be altered for policy goals.

Now, coming to the issue on hand, which is poverty, and whether governments should legislate wages, i don&#039;t have any comment. Obviously, the issue is discussed so much in policy circles and always much more complex that it appears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price of a good-or-service certainly does act in the way described by Atanu in his four principles of supply-demand in the first paragraph. However, there is a fifth principle which he din&#8217;t mention: When the price is altered by the external forces such a government legislation to suit a parcticular public policy goal, the demand &amp; supply of that good-or-service will change in the market place.</p>
<p>Atanu&#8217;s BELIEF or OPINION is that prices should never be mucked with. This is clear from his argument against politicians who try to &#8220;legislate prices&#8221;. Fair enough. That&#8217;s his opinion. But, it does NOT mean supply-demand is a LAW of nature like gravity. It is a policy TOOL. Now, whether or not legislating prices results in good or bad, depends on case by case basis. We may call it a &#8220;law&#8221; in so far that, when supply and demand alter, the prices will adjust. But, there is certainly no law-of-nature that prices of something should NEVER be legislated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve brought up the point because its a favorite ploy by free-market enthusiasts to project supply-demand as a law-of-nature, to justify their policy positions.</p>
<p>Lets take a simple example. Suppose governments wanted to cut the usage of paper for environmental reasons. They could heavily tax paper, and that would alter the supply &amp; demand of paper in the marketplace. We can argue whether legislation of this kind results in desired goals or if it has any side effects, but there is no god-given-law that price  of paper should never be altered for policy goals.</p>
<p>Now, coming to the issue on hand, which is poverty, and whether governments should legislate wages, i don&#8217;t have any comment. Obviously, the issue is discussed so much in policy circles and always much more complex that it appears.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So why, you may ask, donâ€™t we regularly enjoy the spectacle of public floggings of policymakers given that they frequently willfully disregard the law of supply and demand and legislate prices?&lt;/i&gt;

Didn&#039;t know you hob-nobbed with sharia-lovers. This is the most ridiculous thing I&#039;ve ever read on your blog. Next you&#039;ll be advocating for death-penalty like it is in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So why, you may ask, donâ€™t we regularly enjoy the spectacle of public floggings of policymakers given that they frequently willfully disregard the law of supply and demand and legislate prices?</i></p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t know you hob-nobbed with sharia-lovers. This is the most ridiculous thing I&#8217;ve ever read on your blog. Next you&#8217;ll be advocating for death-penalty like it is in China.</p>
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		<title>By: Sameer</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/11/03/losads/comment-page-1/#comment-111270</link>
		<dc:creator>Sameer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOSADS: &lt;b&gt;L&lt;/b&gt;aw &lt;b&gt;o&lt;/b&gt;f &lt;b&gt;S&lt;/b&gt;upply &lt;b&gt;a&lt;/b&gt;nd &lt;b&gt;D&lt;/b&gt;emand &lt;b&gt;S&lt;/b&gt;?

What is the last &quot;S&quot; for? Is it like &quot;It&#039;s the economy, stupid!&quot; slogan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOSADS: <b>L</b>aw <b>o</b>f <b>S</b>upply <b>a</b>nd <b>D</b>emand <b>S</b>?</p>
<p>What is the last &#8220;S&#8221; for? Is it like &#8220;It&#8217;s the economy, stupid!&#8221; slogan?</p>
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		<title>By: abhilash.shastry</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/11/03/losads/comment-page-1/#comment-111263</link>
		<dc:creator>abhilash.shastry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu said:

&quot;I am very much in favor of public flogging as punishment because it is equitable and wealth invariant.&quot;

I am not surprised. Talibans of every flavor think alike!

&quot;Indeed, if the wages go too much above the subsistence level, the supply is sufficiently wage elastic that the higher wages would induce an increase in the supply so that the price is once again driven down to the subsistence level.&quot;

Now I am really surprised! Did your study of economics never teach you using your brains beyond coming up with cookie-cutter explanations? Where did you get the idea that supply of labor is &quot;sufficiently wage elastic&quot;?

Let us revisit your arguments: 

When price increases, supply of goods also takes the upward trend to maximize profit. Fine. Now, goods in this case is labor. So, per your profound analysis, if price of labor increases, people will start having more children so that supply of labor will increase. Really? Open your eyes, dude. Price of labor is high in developed countries. Do you see people producing army of babies in developed countries?

It is the price of labor that adjusts to supply, not the vice versa. Supply of labor i.e. population depends on lot of factors most important being education, not the price of labor. 

Law of gravity is inviolable. That does not mean you can use it solve some problem of anthropology. It has its jurisdiction. When you use supply and demand to explain overpopulation, you will keep deriving such stupid conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am very much in favor of public flogging as punishment because it is equitable and wealth invariant.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not surprised. Talibans of every flavor think alike!</p>
<p>&#8220;Indeed, if the wages go too much above the subsistence level, the supply is sufficiently wage elastic that the higher wages would induce an increase in the supply so that the price is once again driven down to the subsistence level.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I am really surprised! Did your study of economics never teach you using your brains beyond coming up with cookie-cutter explanations? Where did you get the idea that supply of labor is &#8220;sufficiently wage elastic&#8221;?</p>
<p>Let us revisit your arguments: </p>
<p>When price increases, supply of goods also takes the upward trend to maximize profit. Fine. Now, goods in this case is labor. So, per your profound analysis, if price of labor increases, people will start having more children so that supply of labor will increase. Really? Open your eyes, dude. Price of labor is high in developed countries. Do you see people producing army of babies in developed countries?</p>
<p>It is the price of labor that adjusts to supply, not the vice versa. Supply of labor i.e. population depends on lot of factors most important being education, not the price of labor. </p>
<p>Law of gravity is inviolable. That does not mean you can use it solve some problem of anthropology. It has its jurisdiction. When you use supply and demand to explain overpopulation, you will keep deriving such stupid conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: t</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/11/03/losads/comment-page-1/#comment-111253</link>
		<dc:creator>t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/11/03/losads/comment-page-1/#comment-111252</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds to me like the solution to your problem here is robots that can do all our manual work for us.

Then we can all live in a delightful utopia where everyone gets their guaranteed income in the mail and sits on their butt all day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds to me like the solution to your problem here is robots that can do all our manual work for us.</p>
<p>Then we can all live in a delightful utopia where everyone gets their guaranteed income in the mail and sits on their butt all day.</p>
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