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		<title>By: Guru Gulab Khatri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guru Gulab Khatri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DODO, I too remember my days reading russian translation of children books in Bhilai steel plant Library and magazine likes &quot;soviet bhumi&quot; and titles like &quot;ganga se volga tak&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DODO, I too remember my days reading russian translation of children books in Bhilai steel plant Library and magazine likes &#8220;soviet bhumi&#8221; and titles like &#8220;ganga se volga tak&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DODO</title>
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		<dc:creator>DODO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu,

Inspiring read. 

I was an engineer who changed to economics for similar reasons. But unlike you,  now I got entangled again and joined corporate, but am trying hard to leave ( there are too many responsibilities, but will take the risk again). 

The thing you mentioned about Public Library system in USA is just great. We sorely miss decent libraries. I grew up in a town in WB where the library only contained translations of some russian fictions and the staff did not let anyone to get in and surf the library. Everyday staffs displayed some few books and we had to choose among those. The only decent library I came across was in my PG days and I spent almost 50% of my two years there.

Sudipta,

If you want to shift to economics in India, then I will urge you to look at ISI, DSE and IGIDR in this order.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu,</p>
<p>Inspiring read. </p>
<p>I was an engineer who changed to economics for similar reasons. But unlike you,  now I got entangled again and joined corporate, but am trying hard to leave ( there are too many responsibilities, but will take the risk again). </p>
<p>The thing you mentioned about Public Library system in USA is just great. We sorely miss decent libraries. I grew up in a town in WB where the library only contained translations of some russian fictions and the staff did not let anyone to get in and surf the library. Everyday staffs displayed some few books and we had to choose among those. The only decent library I came across was in my PG days and I spent almost 50% of my two years there.</p>
<p>Sudipta,</p>
<p>If you want to shift to economics in India, then I will urge you to look at ISI, DSE and IGIDR in this order.</p>
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		<title>By: Vishal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vishal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu, a really good insight on why a taxi driver is poor. But I would advice, also to know why ploiceman in India is poor. A general policeman in a city like Pune gets somewhere between 5-6K which is obviously not sufficient, I am not saying that what they are doing is right though. What I want to say is that there is a need for reform in Police also!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu, a really good insight on why a taxi driver is poor. But I would advice, also to know why ploiceman in India is poor. A general policeman in a city like Pune gets somewhere between 5-6K which is obviously not sufficient, I am not saying that what they are doing is right though. What I want to say is that there is a need for reform in Police also!</p>
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		<title>By: bluefox</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluefox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu - you talked about eco books that sparked your imagination - can you post their titles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu &#8211; you talked about eco books that sparked your imagination &#8211; can you post their titles?</p>
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		<title>By: The Tangled Web of Corruption &#171; YAB</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Tangled Web of Corruption &#171; YAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ion 			 			 				June 24th, 2007 at 4:48 am				(Uncategorized) 							 			 			 				Atanu in his post, explains his first hand experience (kind of) of the s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On game theory side,

Raghunathan (of IIM, Ahmedabad) has a book on it called &quot;Games Indians Play - Why We Are The Way We Are?&quot;. He explains, with game theory and behavioral economics, why we behave so. A nice read.

-Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On game theory side,</p>
<p>Raghunathan (of IIM, Ahmedabad) has a book on it called &#8220;Games Indians Play &#8211; Why We Are The Way We Are?&#8221;. He explains, with game theory and behavioral economics, why we behave so. A nice read.</p>
<p>-Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Apun Ka Desh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apun Ka Desh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu,

thanks for sharing a little autobiographical info. about yourself.

Completely agree with you on what you generally say as to why we are Poor. But, this is the question i always ask - 
&#039;How can we change this?&#039;
&#039;Who can change this?&#039;
&#039;Can i alone change this?&#039;

The answers to these questions seem to completely elude us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu,</p>
<p>thanks for sharing a little autobiographical info. about yourself.</p>
<p>Completely agree with you on what you generally say as to why we are Poor. But, this is the question i always ask &#8211;<br />
&#8216;How can we change this?&#8217;<br />
&#8216;Who can change this?&#8217;<br />
&#8216;Can i alone change this?&#8217;</p>
<p>The answers to these questions seem to completely elude us.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhijit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhijit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Atanu,

I remember talking this with you while you were in pune. You said that &quot;You started thinking about why India is poor?&quot;. However I couldn&#039;t think of it then, so writing it now, since the opportunity is there. &quot;We are poor because of the people and there is no other reason&quot;. This is somewhat related to type -1 problems I have mentioned. When one spends his time boasting about the &quot;à¥«à¥¦à¥¦à¥¦ à¤¸à¤¾à¤² à¤ªà¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¨à¥€ à¤¸à¤‚à¤¸à¥à¤•à¥ƒà¤¤à¥€&quot; and not worry about the conditions in which he/she lives in, the problem lies there and it has to be addressed at that level (if at all people themselves want it to be addressed!) 

Regarding the Cab incident - &quot;It is really unfortunate&quot; is what I&#039;d say. But thinking more about it.. here&#039;s my reasoning for this.. A person makes more money for the &quot;indispensibility&quot;. In the example above, the driver and the middleman is not &quot;indispensible&quot;, the question to ask is how does one make the driver indispensible and the cop redundant.. 

Corruption is just a symptom of inherently inefficient systems, and the systems themselves will never be efficient, unless people observe, evaluate and do something about the systems themselves. This again comes back to the original &quot;type -1&quot; problems. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Atanu,</p>
<p>I remember talking this with you while you were in pune. You said that &#8220;You started thinking about why India is poor?&#8221;. However I couldn&#8217;t think of it then, so writing it now, since the opportunity is there. &#8220;We are poor because of the people and there is no other reason&#8221;. This is somewhat related to type -1 problems I have mentioned. When one spends his time boasting about the &#8220;à¥«à¥¦à¥¦à¥¦ à¤¸à¤¾à¤² à¤ªà¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¨à¥€ à¤¸à¤‚à¤¸à¥à¤•à¥ƒà¤¤à¥€&#8221; and not worry about the conditions in which he/she lives in, the problem lies there and it has to be addressed at that level (if at all people themselves want it to be addressed!) </p>
<p>Regarding the Cab incident &#8211; &#8220;It is really unfortunate&#8221; is what I&#8217;d say. But thinking more about it.. here&#8217;s my reasoning for this.. A person makes more money for the &#8220;indispensibility&#8221;. In the example above, the driver and the middleman is not &#8220;indispensible&#8221;, the question to ask is how does one make the driver indispensible and the cop redundant.. </p>
<p>Corruption is just a symptom of inherently inefficient systems, and the systems themselves will never be efficient, unless people observe, evaluate and do something about the systems themselves. This again comes back to the original &#8220;type -1&#8243; problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Krishnan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krishnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we have a Prime minister and politicians who threaten, blackmail and try extortion with leading businesses, is it suprising that cops do the same with taxi drivers ? Cops in this country are basically extortionists and the entire police system is one big extortion racket. 

On the road near my home, I see cops stopping practically every truck for hafta. The country is paying a heavy price in time and money by indulging these goons. Maybe, the electoral system needs to be modified with a &quot;We vote for nobody&quot; option and if &quot;We vote for nobody&quot; wins the election, there is no MP/MLA for that region. A few less goons in the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we have a Prime minister and politicians who threaten, blackmail and try extortion with leading businesses, is it suprising that cops do the same with taxi drivers ? Cops in this country are basically extortionists and the entire police system is one big extortion racket. </p>
<p>On the road near my home, I see cops stopping practically every truck for hafta. The country is paying a heavy price in time and money by indulging these goons. Maybe, the electoral system needs to be modified with a &#8220;We vote for nobody&#8221; option and if &#8220;We vote for nobody&#8221; wins the election, there is no MP/MLA for that region. A few less goons in the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Sudipta Chatterjee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sudipta Chatterjee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu, economics is fascinating for sure... any good place to start for a similar person with an undergrad degree in CS from India?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu, economics is fascinating for sure&#8230; any good place to start for a similar person with an undergrad degree in CS from India?</p>
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		<title>By: Nitin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt; Hereâ€™s a bit of gratuitous advice: learn game theory.&lt;/em&gt;

Let me add on to that: read Games of Strategy, by Dixit and Skeath. It&#039;s easier to read that Schelling (who you must read anyway if you are interested in nuclear deterrence, bringing up children and suchlike)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> Hereâ€™s a bit of gratuitous advice: learn game theory.</em></p>
<p>Let me add on to that: read Games of Strategy, by Dixit and Skeath. It&#8217;s easier to read that Schelling (who you must read anyway if you are interested in nuclear deterrence, bringing up children and suchlike)</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Atanu - 

Too many times, the detractors of free markets point to examples such as this as &quot;proof&quot; that capitalism is a recipe for corruption, failure, and social injustice.

It takes three big cultural milestones for a community or nation to prosper:  the right to property, the right to freely trade said property or labor, and the rule of law to enforce agreements and contracts.

It seems to have worked everywhere it has been tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Atanu &#8211; </p>
<p>Too many times, the detractors of free markets point to examples such as this as &#8220;proof&#8221; that capitalism is a recipe for corruption, failure, and social injustice.</p>
<p>It takes three big cultural milestones for a community or nation to prosper:  the right to property, the right to freely trade said property or labor, and the rule of law to enforce agreements and contracts.</p>
<p>It seems to have worked everywhere it has been tried.</p>
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