Comments on: Air Indian http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:44:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Atanu Dey on India’s Development » Air Indian — Part Duh http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-96299 Atanu Dey on India’s Development » Air Indian — Part Duh Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:06:44 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-96299 [...] Tejaswi) and the merged entity will be called—umm, let’s see now—“Air Indian,” the title of a blog post last month on the merger. I have written earl [...] [...] Tejaswi) and the merged entity will be called—umm, let’s see now—“Air Indian,” the title of a blog post last month on the merger. I have written earl [...]

]]> By: Palaniappan http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-94019 Palaniappan Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:35:15 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-94019 First and foreomst people should understand that the policies of country had crippled the Govt.Airlines.The fleet revamp, recruitment, postings, transfers, basic infrastructural development,faulty payment structure were the real reasons for these Airlines to perform not so well. Today people compare it with the new Airline companies and criticise PSU cos. But at same time how many occassions when u face a problem with private cos had been properly addressed should be brought out. Lack of efficency and not operating with profit motives should looked in the larger percpective of the bureacratic setup and the hold which they do not want do away. Now with RTI being in place why don't people try and assess data why the fleet replacement took such a long time?, and type of fleet selection for PSu cos had been taking such a long time. Why people always look down the Public sector at the same time keep mum against the Private sector s exploitative methods need to be looked into? then the tax burden on aam admi could be properly addressed. First and foreomst people should understand that the policies of country had crippled the Govt.Airlines.The fleet revamp, recruitment, postings, transfers, basic infrastructural development,faulty payment structure were the real reasons for these Airlines to perform not so well. Today people compare it with the new Airline companies and criticise PSU cos. But at same time how many occassions when u face a problem with private cos had been properly addressed should be brought out. Lack of efficency and not operating with profit motives should looked in the larger percpective of the bureacratic setup and the hold which they do not want do away. Now with RTI being in place why don’t people try and assess data why the fleet replacement took such a long time?, and type of fleet selection for PSu cos had been taking such a long time. Why people always look down the Public sector at the same time keep mum against the Private sector s exploitative methods need to be looked into? then the tax burden on aam admi could be properly addressed.

]]> By: Venkat http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-92781 Venkat Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:42:52 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-92781 They want to create an airline which will *rival* SIA or Emirates, lollllzzzzzzzz They want to create an airline which will *rival* SIA or Emirates, lollllzzzzzzzz

]]> By: Guru Gulab Khatri http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-91368 Guru Gulab Khatri Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:35:32 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-91368 <i>“Private Airlines can be contracted or even commandeered in case of emergency” <b>And at that point people will protest property rights of private airlines.</b> </i> No not if it was an indira gandhi style emergency. And dont get me started on Sanjay Gandhis defination(which included stealing a car cause he could). And note if contracted no one will complain. Most of the time its easy to contract. Just see what US did during WWII for shifting production away from consumer automobiles to military vehicles and contrast that with UK and Germany during the same period. “Private Airlines can be contracted or even commandeered in case of emergency”

And at that point people will protest property rights of private airlines.

No not if it was an indira gandhi style emergency. And dont get me started on Sanjay Gandhis defination(which included stealing a car cause he could).

And note if contracted no one will complain.

Most of the time its easy to contract.
Just see what US did during WWII for shifting production away from consumer automobiles to military vehicles and contrast that with UK and Germany during the same period.

]]> By: India » Blog Archive » Australian trade minister to visit India http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-91349 India » Blog Archive » Australian trade minister to visit India Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:44:43 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-91349 [...] do their duty to best of their capability I think. … – more – Demonstrators waving banners and shouting slogans marche [...] [...] do their duty to best of their capability I think. … – more – Demonstrators waving banners and shouting slogans marche [...]

]]> By: Aditya Athalye http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-91346 Aditya Athalye Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:03:11 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-91346 heyy the sarkari boys want to be in on the m&a <strike>bubble</strike> game too :) heyy the sarkari boys want to be in on the m&a bubble game too :)

]]> By: shiva http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-91276 shiva Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:06:24 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-91276 Politicians (and bureaucrats) are big time users of air services. Air crew and ground crew have pampered these scoundrels so much that it is well nigh impossible to get most of the lazy employees to move their bulk and actually do something useful. That said there are any number of people who work extremely hard, but their efficiency is in marked contrast to the utter disregard exhibited by the rest. Politicians (and bureaucrats) are big time users of air services. Air crew and ground crew have pampered these scoundrels so much that it is well nigh impossible to get most of the lazy employees to move their bulk and actually do something useful. That said there are any number of people who work extremely hard, but their efficiency is in marked contrast to the utter disregard exhibited by the rest.

]]> By: Ashish Gupta http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-91266 Ashish Gupta Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:18:34 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-91266 "Private Airlines can be contracted or even commandeered in case of emergency" And at that point people will protest property rights of private airlines. Regarding Military, they do their duty to best of their capability I think. Andman & Nicobar comes to mind in aftermath of Tsunami. However, if they have capacity to do what A-I did in wars (names escape me) then I think you would be right. “Private Airlines can be contracted or even commandeered in case of emergency”

And at that point people will protest property rights of private airlines.

Regarding Military, they do their duty to best of their capability I think. Andman & Nicobar comes to mind in aftermath of Tsunami. However, if they have capacity to do what A-I did in wars (names escape me) then I think you would be right.

]]> By: ram http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-91064 ram Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:59:16 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-91064 A small correction needed in your post, in airline industry, number of seats are calculated differently. It is not just the total number of seats in all the aircraft they own. It needs to be mulitplied by the number of trips aircraft is used. I guess IA+AI have large under utilized aircrafts. In most airlines, aircraft is in operation 24hrs a day, stopping only for routine maintaince. A small correction needed in your post, in airline industry, number of seats are calculated differently. It is not just the total number of seats in all the aircraft they own. It needs to be mulitplied by the number of trips aircraft is used.
I guess IA+AI have large under utilized aircrafts. In most airlines, aircraft is in operation 24hrs a day, stopping only for routine maintaince.

]]> By: Graham Johnson http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-91030 Graham Johnson Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:17:12 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-91030 My own experience during January as a passenger on a range of domestic Indian airlines confirmed for me that Indian Airlines trailed the field by a long way in passenger service. It reminded me of the days in Australia before the then government owned airline was sold. Poor service, poor staff attitudes, apparent disregard for costs, etc. My own experience during January as a passenger on a range of domestic Indian airlines confirmed for me that Indian Airlines trailed the field by a long way in passenger service. It reminded me of the days in Australia before the then government owned airline was sold. Poor service, poor staff attitudes, apparent disregard for costs, etc.

]]> By: Guru Gulab Khatri http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-90980 Guru Gulab Khatri Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:18:04 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-90980 Heres the response youll get from a lot of folks... <i>India is a nation of 85% oppressed and we must find jobs for them, so indian airlines is doing the right thing. This along with the inheritance tax and unemployment insurance is the right step for india.</i> Ashish Private Airlines can be contracted or even commandeered in case of emergency as has happened else where, Besides Just what the F is the military for. They maintain Aircrafts to deploy soldiers which can be used for evacuation if needed. Check what happened in the kabailiyon ka hamla episode during partition on kashmir. Private airlines were used to fly soldiers into kashmir. Heres the response youll get from a lot of folks…
India is a nation of 85% oppressed and we must find jobs for them, so indian airlines is doing the right thing.
This along with the inheritance tax and unemployment insurance is the right step for india.

Ashish
Private Airlines can be contracted or even commandeered in case of emergency as has happened else where,
Besides Just what the F is the military for. They maintain Aircrafts to deploy soldiers which can be used for evacuation if needed.
Check what happened in the kabailiyon ka hamla episode during partition on kashmir.
Private airlines were used to fly soldiers into kashmir.

]]> By: Ashish Gupta http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-90976 Ashish Gupta Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:19:01 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-90976 I agree in general but whenever I think of eliminating national carriers, I think of their use in calamities like in Tsunami, Afghanistan, etc. I wonder if it is possible to get private career to fly so many sorties on such short notice and work tireless even if you pay the market price. And if it is, perhaps market price by definition will account for, would savings in not having these careers be lost in costs associated in disaster management operations. That however, does not eliminate the case for making these airlines more efficient. I agree in general but whenever I think of eliminating national carriers, I think of their use in calamities like in Tsunami, Afghanistan, etc. I wonder if it is possible to get private career to fly so many sorties on such short notice and work tireless even if you pay the market price. And if it is, perhaps market price by definition will account for, would savings in not having these careers be lost in costs associated in disaster management operations. That however, does not eliminate the case for making these airlines more efficient.

]]> By: ysrinivas http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-90969 ysrinivas Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:39:52 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-90969 No one cuts their nose to spite the face. It is only now that domestic Airlines are going in routes which may not be commercially viable. A friend, flying from Shillong to New Delhi, told me the National Carrier invariably has the most regular flights and cheapest fares.Changing names, getting new colors,and the merger are attempts(even if half baked) to get more professional. I agree more needs to be done, but I think AI and IA as budget airlines, like the BSNL in rural areas, are leading the way for a Private Sector solely driven by profits. Most people are aware that we are a third world country, and getting Politicians to travel in Private Airlines will not solve that immediately. No one cuts their nose to spite the face. It is only now that domestic Airlines are going in routes which may not be commercially viable. A friend, flying from Shillong to New Delhi, told me the National Carrier invariably has the most regular flights and cheapest fares.Changing names, getting new colors,and the merger are attempts(even if half baked) to get more professional. I agree more needs to be done, but I think AI and IA as budget airlines, like the BSNL in rural areas, are leading the way for a Private Sector solely driven by profits. Most people are aware that we are a third world country, and getting Politicians to travel in Private Airlines will not solve that immediately.

]]> By: Vinayak Hebbagil http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-90966 Vinayak Hebbagil Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:07:42 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-90966 Couldn't agree more with you.Government 'utilizes' hard-earned tax payers' money conveniently for their own needs and political ambitions.And over staffing is present to guarantee 'employment' while productive growth is largely ignored. Couldn’t agree more with you.Government ‘utilizes’ hard-earned tax payers’ money conveniently for their own needs and political ambitions.And over staffing is present to guarantee ‘employment’ while productive growth is largely ignored.

]]> By: Aparna http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-90944 Aparna Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:03:50 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-90944 I was quite surprised to see this headline in the paper today.. havent got the chance to read the entire article, but, i guess, you summed it up! M&As are such a tricky job, and somehow, of all that I've seen, there is no right way of doing it, many wrong ones though! :-) I was quite surprised to see this headline in the paper today.. havent got the chance to read the entire article, but, i guess, you summed it up! M&As are such a tricky job, and somehow, of all that I’ve seen, there is no right way of doing it, many wrong ones though! :-)

]]> By: Myke http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/comment-page-1/#comment-90941 Myke Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:50:46 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2007/02/22/third-class-flying/#comment-90941 Gadfly bites politicians! :-) Gadfly bites politicians! :-)

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