Comments on: What the world owes to the US http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:41:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: nukern http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-50637 nukern Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:17:24 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-50637 I have only read a couple of your posts, I intend to read all. Its just incredible that my thoughts match 100% to what you say. It really is. However I have analyzed and re-analyzed my thoughts and I believe there are contradictions in my thoughts so also in your arguments. The point is how do we take everything into account, make everything as clean and nice as possible, still not end up self-contradicting or self-conflicting. That is the biggest challenge. I have only read a couple of your posts, I intend to read all. Its just incredible that my thoughts match 100% to what you say. It really is. However I have analyzed and re-analyzed my thoughts and I believe there are contradictions in my thoughts so also in your arguments. The point is how do we take everything into account, make everything as clean and nice as possible, still not end up self-contradicting or self-conflicting. That is the biggest challenge.

]]> By: SUhit Anantula http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-49224 SUhit Anantula Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:35:31 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-49224 From <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/10/AR2006121000768.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns" rel="nofollow">Kofi Annan</a>: My fourth lesson, therefore, is that governments must be accountable for their actions, in the international as well as the domestic arena. Every state owes some account to other states on which its actions have a decisive impact. As things stand, poor and weak states are easily held to account, because they need foreign aid. But large and powerful states, whose actions have the greatest impact on others, can be constrained only by their own people. That gives the people and institutions of powerful states a special responsibility to take account of global views and interests. And today they need to take into account also what we call "non-state actors." States can no longer -- if they ever could -- confront global challenges alone. Increasingly, they need help from the myriad types of association in which people come together voluntarily, to profit or to think about, and change, the world. Cheers, Suhit From Kofi Annan:

My fourth lesson, therefore, is that governments must be accountable for their actions, in the international as well as the domestic arena. Every state owes some account to other states on which its actions have a decisive impact. As things stand, poor and weak states are easily held to account, because they need foreign aid. But large and powerful states, whose actions have the greatest impact on others, can be constrained only by their own people.

That gives the people and institutions of powerful states a special responsibility to take account of global views and interests. And today they need to take into account also what we call “non-state actors.” States can no longer — if they ever could — confront global challenges alone. Increasingly, they need help from the myriad types of association in which people come together voluntarily, to profit or to think about, and change, the world.

Cheers,
Suhit

]]> By: Arvind http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-48134 Arvind Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:04:47 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-48134 The cliche remains as true as ever ... Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The world is not a democratic place and a paradox that the biggest dictator of the world is a large democratic state. However, democracy will have to be won and will not be handed over by the dicatators, imperialists or the powerful. Nations must rise and unite in UN, WTO etc. Some waves made by Kofi Anan and the like. Rise of China, India must counter some lopsided America/UK alliance. France and Germany have showed signs of strain in NATO. ... The cliche remains as true as ever … Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The world is not a democratic place and a paradox that the biggest dictator of the world is a large democratic state. However, democracy will have to be won and will not be handed over by the dicatators, imperialists or the powerful. Nations must rise and unite in UN, WTO etc. Some waves made by Kofi Anan and the like. Rise of China, India must counter some lopsided America/UK alliance. France and Germany have showed signs of strain in NATO. …

]]> By: Suhit Anantula http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-48116 Suhit Anantula Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:59:12 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-48116 Hi Atanu: The interesting part of the post I liked was the need to think as part of humanity rather than just belong to one category. In Australia, there is an interest for things Australian, US, Indonesian, Fijian, UK and some parts of Europe, the resource intensive part of China, the BPO part of India and the rest of the world is forgotten. Great post! Cheers, Suhit Hi Atanu:

The interesting part of the post I liked was the need to think as part of humanity rather than just belong to one category.

In Australia, there is an interest for things Australian, US, Indonesian, Fijian, UK and some parts of Europe, the resource intensive part of China, the BPO part of India and the rest of the world is forgotten.

Great post!

Cheers,
Suhit

]]> By: Nitin http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-48051 Nitin Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:35:48 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-48051 Atanu, Exceptional post. I still have to take exception to one bit: <blockquote>Powerful and irresponsible, US foreign policy condemns the world to a state of perpetual war. </blockquote>I submit that the world is condemned to a state of perpetual war because of the very structure of the international system. A fairer way of looking at it is that despite the historically unprecedented capabilities, intentions and actions of the United States, it has been unable to bring about peace. Atanu,

Exceptional post. I still have to take exception to one bit:

Powerful and irresponsible, US foreign policy condemns the world to a state of perpetual war.

I submit that the world is condemned to a state of perpetual war because of the very structure of the international system.

A fairer way of looking at it is that despite the historically unprecedented capabilities, intentions and actions of the United States, it has been unable to bring about peace.

]]> By: chakshukalra http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-47819 chakshukalra Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:35:46 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-47819 I love you blog posts !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love you blog posts !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Sudipta Chatterjee http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-47804 Sudipta Chatterjee Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:50:30 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-47804 Awesome post, Atanu: really mindblowing. And more than the debate over the role played by the US, I liked the way you portrayed what being patriotic meant (at least for you). All kudos, sire... keep posting! Awesome post, Atanu: really mindblowing. And more than the debate over the role played by the US, I liked the way you portrayed what being patriotic meant (at least for you). All kudos, sire… keep posting!

]]> By: dodo http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-47099 dodo Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:01:44 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-47099 As usual, outstandings. But two things: 1. "the Americans twice elected a bunch of war-mongering neo-conservatives ": I have problem with the word neo-conservatives. Going by recent policy statements, it seems, Democrats are the ones who are conservatives( if we leave aside the abortion issue). 2. As Kiran has pointed out, India has not been a big consumer of US defence industry. It is still a loyal customer of USSR/Russia ( remember, Admiral Gorshkov)! As usual, outstandings. But two things:
1. “the Americans twice elected a bunch of war-mongering neo-conservatives “: I have problem with the word neo-conservatives. Going by recent policy statements, it seems, Democrats are the ones who are conservatives( if we leave aside the abortion issue).

2. As Kiran has pointed out, India has not been a big consumer of US defence industry. It is still a loyal customer of USSR/Russia ( remember, Admiral Gorshkov)!

]]> By: Atanu Dey on India’s Development » Forever Trembling on the Brink (Of Numbers) http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-2892 Atanu Dey on India’s Development » Forever Trembling on the Brink (Of Numbers) Sun, 24 Jul 2005 05:35:30 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-2892 [...] ="mailto:soumen@cse.iitb.ac.in">Soumen Chakrabarti emailed me and wrote: You recently wrote: That is why I claim that natural disasters like the recent tsun [...] [...] =”mailto:soumen@cse.iitb.ac.in”>Soumen Chakrabarti emailed me and wrote: You recently wrote: That is why I claim that natural disasters like the recent tsun [...]

]]> By: Taran http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-531 Taran Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-531 Powerful, and accurate. There's a lot of pride in India from descendants of indentured labourers as well. Powerful, and accurate. There’s a lot of pride in India from descendants of indentured labourers as well.

]]> By: Walker http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-532 Walker Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-532 "The US is a powerful nation. How did it become so powerful?" There are a lot of factors here and you mentioned a few, but I would add a couple of more.... Emphasis on manufacturing -- Alexander Hamiltons vision of the national economy based on promotion of domestic industry in manufacturing won out over Thomas Jeffersons Agrarian vision. Support came most visibly (but not exclusively) in the form of tariffs in excess of 30% for manufactured goods for most of the 19th century and early 20th century. Sheer size -- The United States is just bigger in population than most developed nations. These days that is the only real difference. Last Man Standing -- After two world wars devastated most of its competitors, U.S. power was at its apex in the 50s and 60s. Since then it has been in relative decline. “The US is a powerful nation. How did it become so powerful?”

There are a lot of factors here and you mentioned a few, but I would add a couple of more….

Emphasis on manufacturing — Alexander Hamiltons vision of the national economy based on promotion of domestic industry in manufacturing won out over Thomas Jeffersons Agrarian vision. Support came most visibly (but not exclusively) in the form of tariffs in excess of 30% for manufactured goods for most of the 19th century and early 20th century.

Sheer size — The United States is just bigger in population than most developed nations. These days that is the only real difference.

Last Man Standing — After two world wars devastated most of its competitors, U.S. power was at its apex in the 50s and 60s. Since then it has been in relative decline.

]]> By: Kiran http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-533 Kiran Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-533 I have read many of your blog posts on how the US war industry thrives on India's conflicts. As I understand it, India has not bought any military harware worth mentioning from the US for decades now. And yet we presume that the US military industry is ruining our relations just so that they can sell us more military hardware. As for Pak, the US had embargoes on that country for a long time (you dont do that on a lucrative market, especially if the market is your main goal in life). On the other hand, a strong India, which is a rather stable democracy and level headed aspirant to World power status, would be a boon for the US - both as a market for its products as well as for ensuring stability in this part of the World. There went my 5 paise! :) I have read many of your blog posts on how the US war industry thrives on India’s conflicts. As I understand it, India has not bought any military harware worth mentioning from the US for decades now. And yet we presume that the US military industry is ruining our relations just so that they can sell us more military hardware. As for Pak, the US had embargoes on that country for a long time (you dont do that on a lucrative market, especially if the market is your main goal in life).

On the other hand, a strong India, which is a rather stable democracy and level headed aspirant to World power status, would be a boon for the US – both as a market for its products as well as for ensuring stability in this part of the World.

There went my 5 paise! :)

]]> By: SV http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/12/15/what-the-world-owes-to-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-534 SV Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2005/01/02/235#comment-534 Very well said. Can I please trackback this post? Very well said. Can I please trackback this post?

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