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	<title>Comments on: A Very Short Essay on Problems &#8212; Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: joni lebiaso</title>
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		<dc:creator>joni lebiaso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>every humsn being has a problem but thiers a solution if we are  going to commit to God because i know that he did not give us a big problem that we will not be solve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>every humsn being has a problem but thiers a solution if we are  going to commit to God because i know that he did not give us a big problem that we will not be solve</p>
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		<title>By: Abhijit Gadgil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhijit Gadgil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Type -1 problems? 

Though certainly useful and methodic, I don&#039;t think the taxonomy is complete yet. 

eg. How do you catagorize the following problems? 
- A (section of) society getting peeved by   

1. some foreigner kissing someone on the stage 

2. A half-wit commentrator wearing a tricolor on a saree

3. A half-decent almost used up cricketer cutting a cake having tri-color 

but the same (section of) society is largely ignorant to - 

1. A miserable state of roads on which _they_ drive everyday? 

2. A few farmers committing suicide just a few 100 miles away from the &quot;shining India&quot;

(This is just a small list indicative of what matters and what doesn&#039;t) 
Why these problems need to be catagorized? Because most of the sixth of the humanity suffers from them. 

So are these &quot;Type -1&quot; problems? (And I think in your argument of gradual progression, -1 fits well. May be 
&#039;0&#039;?) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Type -1 problems? </p>
<p>Though certainly useful and methodic, I don&#8217;t think the taxonomy is complete yet. </p>
<p>eg. How do you catagorize the following problems?<br />
- A (section of) society getting peeved by   </p>
<p>1. some foreigner kissing someone on the stage </p>
<p>2. A half-wit commentrator wearing a tricolor on a saree</p>
<p>3. A half-decent almost used up cricketer cutting a cake having tri-color </p>
<p>but the same (section of) society is largely ignorant to &#8211; </p>
<p>1. A miserable state of roads on which _they_ drive everyday? </p>
<p>2. A few farmers committing suicide just a few 100 miles away from the &#8220;shining India&#8221;</p>
<p>(This is just a small list indicative of what matters and what doesn&#8217;t)<br />
Why these problems need to be catagorized? Because most of the sixth of the humanity suffers from them. </p>
<p>So are these &#8220;Type -1&#8243; problems? (And I think in your argument of gradual progression, -1 fits well. May be<br />
&#8216;0&#8242;?)</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all (or at least most) human civilizations have wrestled with all three types of problems. Ancient civilizations were concerned with abstract problems (Pythagoras, Archimedes, and Euclid would be some examples) and the meaning of life. What we know from cave paintings, burial sites, and hapless travellers frozen in glaciers is that man had art and was as concerned with form and meaning as function millennia ago. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all (or at least most) human civilizations have wrestled with all three types of problems. Ancient civilizations were concerned with abstract problems (Pythagoras, Archimedes, and Euclid would be some examples) and the meaning of life. What we know from cave paintings, burial sites, and hapless travellers frozen in glaciers is that man had art and was as concerned with form and meaning as function millennia ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Atanu Dey » A Very Short Essay on Problems&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: shiv</title>
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		<dc:creator>shiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to quibble all life forms in the &#039;known universe&#039; stop at the stratosphere :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to quibble all life forms in the &#8216;known universe&#8217; stop at the stratosphere <img src='http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Raghuveer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raghuveer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a way of introduction, you could probably start with why we solve problems (unrelated to survival) in the first place. As Asimov says in his excellent introduction to the book &#039;New guide of science&#039; - &#039;Almost at the beginning was curiosity...&#039; and writes about our natural desire to investigate. He also goes on to equate Eve&#039;s apple with curiosity. 

Neti-neti, this is a basic tenet of Advaita  and as Nisargadatta maharaj says, the nature of being can only be explained by saying what it is not. The moment you describe it as something, it ceases to be true.

Solving a problem once we know its nature - a loaded statement actually. How and when do we know that we have entirely comprehended the problem? It is always in hindsight that we realize that there is more to it than we thought especially is &#039;time&#039; is a variable and this has huge practical implications. One example is what they call &#039;NPK mentality&#039; in agriculture. It thought that Nitrogen-Phosphorous-Potassium combo is enough to grow plants and damn everything else. This has given rise to myriad problems associated with commercialized agriculture that we currently face. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a way of introduction, you could probably start with why we solve problems (unrelated to survival) in the first place. As Asimov says in his excellent introduction to the book &#8216;New guide of science&#8217; &#8211; &#8216;Almost at the beginning was curiosity&#8230;&#8217; and writes about our natural desire to investigate. He also goes on to equate Eve&#8217;s apple with curiosity. </p>
<p>Neti-neti, this is a basic tenet of Advaita  and as Nisargadatta maharaj says, the nature of being can only be explained by saying what it is not. The moment you describe it as something, it ceases to be true.</p>
<p>Solving a problem once we know its nature &#8211; a loaded statement actually. How and when do we know that we have entirely comprehended the problem? It is always in hindsight that we realize that there is more to it than we thought especially is &#8216;time&#8217; is a variable and this has huge practical implications. One example is what they call &#8216;NPK mentality&#8217; in agriculture. It thought that Nitrogen-Phosphorous-Potassium combo is enough to grow plants and damn everything else. This has given rise to myriad problems associated with commercialized agriculture that we currently face.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very Pirsig like post.  It suspect it would be enjoyable to read your thoughts on &quot;Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance&quot;.

- Lurker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very Pirsig like post.  It suspect it would be enjoyable to read your thoughts on &#8220;Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance&#8221;.</p>
<p>- Lurker</p>
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		<title>By: Deep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice taxonomy, Atanu. I think that Type III problems subsume the other two types, so the relationship is not so much monotonic as topological, if you will. Type III problems fully &quot;contain&quot; the other two types. Also, I would conjecture that a proper taxonomy of Problem Types must also include a consideration of their solution space. For instance, I would argue that the solution space for the first two Types is &quot;out there&quot; while that for the last Type is &quot;in here&quot;. This may sound paradoxical - if after all, the relationship between the Types is topological, then shouldnt &quot;out there&quot; be inclusive of &quot;in here&quot; rather than the other way around - but there is no paradox, once you admit that any definite truth must pass the test of self-reference, so that &quot;in here&quot; must necessarily subsume &quot;out there&quot;. 

Now, tell me if I made any sense at all. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice taxonomy, Atanu. I think that Type III problems subsume the other two types, so the relationship is not so much monotonic as topological, if you will. Type III problems fully &#8220;contain&#8221; the other two types. Also, I would conjecture that a proper taxonomy of Problem Types must also include a consideration of their solution space. For instance, I would argue that the solution space for the first two Types is &#8220;out there&#8221; while that for the last Type is &#8220;in here&#8221;. This may sound paradoxical &#8211; if after all, the relationship between the Types is topological, then shouldnt &#8220;out there&#8221; be inclusive of &#8220;in here&#8221; rather than the other way around &#8211; but there is no paradox, once you admit that any definite truth must pass the test of self-reference, so that &#8220;in here&#8221; must necessarily subsume &#8220;out there&#8221;. </p>
<p>Now, tell me if I made any sense at all. <img src='http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gaurav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaurav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu,

My (uninformed)view,

The composition of problems tackled by an civilization (in addition to limitation imposed by the present technology) is dependend upon two broad factors.

1. Economic Factor - In this I count amount of surplus product available.
This in turn is dependant on the productivity and the distribution of product along different classes.

For example I think that height greek and roman civilization attained was possible because of employment of slaves.

This changed after industrial revolution.

2. Cultural Factor - How much emphasis is placed upon abstract as opposed to material , alternatively one can frame this as egalatarian (vox populi vox dei) vs elitist society.

Regards
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu,</p>
<p>My (uninformed)view,</p>
<p>The composition of problems tackled by an civilization (in addition to limitation imposed by the present technology) is dependend upon two broad factors.</p>
<p>1. Economic Factor &#8211; In this I count amount of surplus product available.<br />
This in turn is dependant on the productivity and the distribution of product along different classes.</p>
<p>For example I think that height greek and roman civilization attained was possible because of employment of slaves.</p>
<p>This changed after industrial revolution.</p>
<p>2. Cultural Factor &#8211; How much emphasis is placed upon abstract as opposed to material , alternatively one can frame this as egalatarian (vox populi vox dei) vs elitist society.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: little Ram</title>
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		<dc:creator>little Ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb!- this taxonomy of problems you have got up; although I am not sure if your prediction of a collective progression of mankind from Type I through to Type III is what would best describe/ forecast our endeavours on earth.  At any stage of mankind, it is possible that we will always have certain groups occupied with different sets of problems- precisely because not all minds are equal. To an extent I would agree, in that resolving basic Type I issues is probably essential to progressing further.  To explain further-

In my understanding, preoccupation with the resolution of Engg. problems (Type I) that are connected to issues of survival and propogation of our species can inhibit thinking about Type II or III issues.  I can understand and accept that. 

Thereafter, it gets a bit blurred.  The boundary between Type II and III problems is grey.  At some stage contemplation of the laws of the Universe, its start (and/ or end) get one close to pondering about metaphysical issues.  As Stephen Hawking remarked something to this effect in one of his books when he said that even if one got through the puzzle of Creation and explained the laws that would govern all phenomena, we still are left with the question- why does it all bother to exist?  Your poser- does the Universe exist only because there are sentinet beings in existence is close to the Vedantic belief that the name and form we give to all matter and energy in the Universe is an out put/ invention of our minds.  I am putting it badly, but I suppose you get the drift.

Economic development seems to me like it is an engg. issue (of policy design, structure of social/ monetary incentives, etc.)  Are there fundamental laws governing human behaviour that could explain social phenomena/ choices we make, etc., as propounded by determinism? - wish I had a definite answer.

I wish I had something more to add.  Maybe we&#039;ll get somewhere if we keep thinking about this enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb!- this taxonomy of problems you have got up; although I am not sure if your prediction of a collective progression of mankind from Type I through to Type III is what would best describe/ forecast our endeavours on earth.  At any stage of mankind, it is possible that we will always have certain groups occupied with different sets of problems- precisely because not all minds are equal. To an extent I would agree, in that resolving basic Type I issues is probably essential to progressing further.  To explain further-</p>
<p>In my understanding, preoccupation with the resolution of Engg. problems (Type I) that are connected to issues of survival and propogation of our species can inhibit thinking about Type II or III issues.  I can understand and accept that. </p>
<p>Thereafter, it gets a bit blurred.  The boundary between Type II and III problems is grey.  At some stage contemplation of the laws of the Universe, its start (and/ or end) get one close to pondering about metaphysical issues.  As Stephen Hawking remarked something to this effect in one of his books when he said that even if one got through the puzzle of Creation and explained the laws that would govern all phenomena, we still are left with the question- why does it all bother to exist?  Your poser- does the Universe exist only because there are sentinet beings in existence is close to the Vedantic belief that the name and form we give to all matter and energy in the Universe is an out put/ invention of our minds.  I am putting it badly, but I suppose you get the drift.</p>
<p>Economic development seems to me like it is an engg. issue (of policy design, structure of social/ monetary incentives, etc.)  Are there fundamental laws governing human behaviour that could explain social phenomena/ choices we make, etc., as propounded by determinism? &#8211; wish I had a definite answer.</p>
<p>I wish I had something more to add.  Maybe we&#8217;ll get somewhere if we keep thinking about this enough.</p>
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