Comments on: Education Matters — Part 1 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:41:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: reetesh kumar http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-19150 reetesh kumar Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:18:11 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-19150 hi it is for whom who is looking for research. hi
it is for whom who is looking for research.

]]> By: anina http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-15928 anina Fri, 26 May 2006 11:31:33 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-15928 dear antanu, plz help!i am a CATaspirant and would like to do my MBA from FMS DU as it is affordable unlike the other institutes.i have secured 45%in my graduation as a Physics Hons. student and am a genuine Schedule Tribe candidate from Darjeeling WB.Am i elligible to apply for the said institute..Please help. Thank you. dear antanu,
plz help!i am a CATaspirant and would like to do my MBA from FMS DU as it is affordable unlike the other institutes.i have secured 45%in my graduation as a Physics Hons. student and am a genuine Schedule Tribe candidate from Darjeeling WB.Am i elligible to apply for the said institute..Please help. Thank you.

]]> By: Floating Sun » Reservations in higher education http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-12233 Floating Sun » Reservations in higher education Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:40:39 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-12233 [...] ome yet another short-cut to the system, yet another kind of bribe. It is no surprise that [...] [...] ome yet another short-cut to the system, yet another kind of bribe. It is no surprise that [...]

]]> By: Intellect » Blog Archive » Education in India http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11663 Intellect » Blog Archive » Education in India Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:52:21 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-11663 [...] Education in India Some really great reads on Education in India: Education Matters - Part 1 Education Matters - Part 2 Let’s Build a Business - [...] [...] Education in India Some really great reads on Education in India: Education Matters – Part 1 Education Matters – Part 2 Let’s Build a Business – [...]

]]> By: Aditya Athalye http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-11155 Aditya Athalye Mon, 17 Apr 2006 04:43:49 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-11155 hey atanu... where did my first comment on this blog post go? care to explain? ... meanwhile, reposting .... atanu, my comments may be premature viz. your telecom-education piece... private telecom operators are a pseudo-example of decentralisation of power... driven by competition. people got access to choice. #create choice. ....... private telcos import technology to run their networks... expensive technology, hard to run technology, hard to upgrade technology. the current education system is a bastardised import... it has some merits, but the overall solution is poor and ever-degrading. #create localised solutions. ....... we can hardly capture the wisdom of a 5000 year old civilisation in 10 years... much less the rest of the world... but we can #create enough awareness to push minds to think and question. ....... telcos are still controlled by the government... because spectrum is still controlled by the government. so sarkaar still TRAIs to call the shots... there are plenty of examples in india where self governance has yielded sustainable solutions... the spectrum of education is reduced to caste, class, category #create teams that can catalyse decentralised learning systems ...... four walls, benches and a body in front is an inherently inefficient method to run massively and centrally... it must therefore be standardised. standardisation kills diversity and innovation. to me, the singular faliure of the current education system is that it fails to create aware individuals... literacy is a small subset of awareness. technology has the potential to help us... #create awareness... hey atanu… where did my first comment on this blog post go? care to explain? … meanwhile, reposting ….

atanu, my comments may be premature viz. your telecom-education piece…

private telecom operators are a pseudo-example of decentralisation of power… driven by competition. people got access to choice.

#create choice.
…….

private telcos import technology to run their networks… expensive technology, hard to run technology, hard to upgrade technology. the current education system is a bastardised import… it has some merits, but the overall solution is poor and ever-degrading.

#create localised solutions.
…….

we can hardly capture the wisdom of a 5000 year old civilisation in 10 years… much less the rest of the world… but we can

#create enough awareness to push minds to think and question.
…….

telcos are still controlled by the government… because spectrum is still controlled by the government. so sarkaar still TRAIs to call the shots… there are plenty of examples in india where self governance has yielded sustainable solutions… the spectrum of education is reduced to caste, class, category

#create teams that can catalyse decentralised learning systems
……

four walls, benches and a body in front is an inherently inefficient method to run massively and centrally… it must therefore be standardised. standardisation kills diversity and innovation.

to me, the singular faliure of the current education system is that it fails to create aware individuals… literacy is a small subset of awareness. technology has the potential to help us…

#create awareness…

]]> By: mandar http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10872 mandar Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:33:20 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10872 In our modern day political system ,parties have been formed on the basis of caste.They are morally colourless and find the divide and rule policy mutually beneficial.Reservations have become an emotional issue in our society.The primary and secondary education system of our country has failed to live upto expectations.As usual instead of finding remedies to this problem they find giving reservations easier.Reservations divide the people into two distinct groups.They can thus deflect attention from more compelling issues and bring about block voting of particular groups whose votes were earlier fragmented. In our modern day political system ,parties have been formed on the basis of caste.They are morally colourless and find the divide and rule policy mutually beneficial.Reservations have become an emotional issue in our society.The primary and secondary education system of our country has failed to live upto expectations.As usual instead of finding remedies to this problem they find giving reservations easier.Reservations divide the people into two distinct groups.They can thus deflect attention from more compelling issues and bring about block voting of particular groups whose votes were earlier fragmented.

]]> By: Smt Yamuna http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10868 Smt Yamuna Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:25:18 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10868 I belongs to marati community of Dakshina kannada, Karnataka state and thahasildar has issued a ST CERTIFICATE ON 11-7-1977.Now the sc/st deaprtment dispute that I belong maratha community, hence they allege that I have recieved a fake certificate. At that time the revenue inspector has identified me as ST and thahasildar has issued the certificate. Now please advice me as to what I have to do. I belongs to marati community of Dakshina kannada, Karnataka state and thahasildar has issued a ST CERTIFICATE ON 11-7-1977.Now the sc/st deaprtment dispute that I belong maratha community, hence they allege that I have recieved a fake certificate. At that time the revenue inspector has identified me as ST and thahasildar has issued the certificate. Now please advice me as to what I have to do.

]]> By: Subodh http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10840 Subodh Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:40:55 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10840 I know at one student In the Faculty of Management Studies (University Of Delhi)who has procured a fake Schedule Tribe Certificate and despite doing pethatic has got a seat in this reputed institute,this student has paid heavily to get the fake certificate and get the concerned authoirity's record fabricated to get the ST certificate.Stragly he is an upper cast muslim and passout of Cambridge Foundation Srinivaspuri Delhi. Now can anyone explain me how the resevation system can help the so called oppressed and backward class of india? I know for sure a hefty amount was paid to get the records fabricated for the concerned authority from where the certificate was issued, Despite the fact that there are no SC or ST in muslim community under the law he could still find and quota under ST catagory If anyone has any doubts bout the authenticity of the story can check the credentials of the candidate,His name Fahad Asmat Khan passout of Cambridge Foundation School Srinivaspuri Delhi where only affluent rich class people can afford to have their kids admitted,Currently persuing MBA from FMS (DU) under the ST quota, but i know for sure that nothing is going to happen for in our country all the concessions and reservations are for the rich and mighty though under the grab of Social Justice and upliftment of oppressed and backward class. No place for poor and bright people In India social Justice really means further upliftment of rich and those who can manipulate the system Is anyone listening?????? I know at one student In the Faculty of Management Studies (University Of

Delhi)who has procured a fake Schedule Tribe Certificate and despite

doing pethatic has got a seat in this reputed institute,this student has

paid heavily to get the fake certificate and get the concerned

authoirity’s record fabricated to get the ST certificate.Stragly he is an

upper cast muslim and passout of Cambridge Foundation Srinivaspuri Delhi.
Now can anyone explain me how the resevation system can help the so

called oppressed and backward class of india? I know for sure a hefty

amount was paid to get the records fabricated for the concerned authority

from where the certificate was issued,

Despite the fact that there are no SC or ST in muslim community under

the law he could still find and quota under ST catagory

If anyone has any doubts bout the authenticity of the story can check the

credentials of the candidate,His name Fahad Asmat Khan passout of

Cambridge Foundation School Srinivaspuri Delhi where only affluent rich

class people can afford to have their kids admitted,Currently persuing

MBA from FMS (DU) under the ST quota,

but i know for sure that nothing is going to happen for in our country

all the concessions and reservations are for the rich and mighty though

under the grab of Social Justice and upliftment of oppressed and backward

class. No place for poor and bright people

In India social Justice really means further upliftment of rich and those

who can manipulate the system

Is anyone listening??????

]]> By: Jayanth http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10703 Jayanth Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:24:33 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10703 Hi Atanu, The entropy(read as corruption) of the universe always increases, therefore the govt has decided to go hand in hand with the law of nature and increase percentage of seats allocated to reservation. Someday soon there is going to be all seats towards reservation leading to breakdown of the whole system, I guess till then others suffer. Hi Atanu,
The entropy(read as corruption) of the universe always increases, therefore the govt has decided to go hand in hand with the law of nature and increase percentage of seats allocated to reservation. Someday soon there is going to be all seats towards reservation leading to breakdown of the whole system, I guess till then others suffer.

]]> By: Ram http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10659 Ram Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:15:32 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10659 Tell me you are going to talk about deregulation of the education industry, like the telecom sector in India. Ram Tell me you are going to talk about deregulation of the education industry, like the telecom sector in India.

Ram

]]> By: SloganMurugan http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10559 SloganMurugan Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:41:10 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10559 Railways as a monoply: I would like to hear Mr. Dey's views on that. Railways as a monoply: I would like to hear Mr. Dey’s views on that.

]]> By: Anandaswarup Gadde http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10554 Anandaswarup Gadde Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:06:55 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10554 I read this article today whch offers a glimmer of hope: http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2006/04/04/indian_islamic_schools_offer_lesson_in_harmony/ From here I cannot vouch for its veracity; perhaps somebody can comment. Along similar lines, there is an article ( I do not understand it fully) in the papers section of: http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~gintis/ called "Persistent Parochialism: Trust and Exclusion in Ethnic Networks " [with Samuel Bowles] Journal of Economic Behavior and Organization (2004) May be somebody more in to economics can comment. Thanks. I read this article today whch offers a glimmer of hope:
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2006/04/04/indian_islamic_schools_offer_lesson_in_harmony/
From here I cannot vouch for its veracity; perhaps somebody can comment. Along similar lines, there is an article ( I do not understand it fully) in the papers section of:
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~gintis/
called “Persistent Parochialism: Trust and Exclusion in Ethnic Networks ”
[with Samuel Bowles]
Journal of Economic Behavior and Organization (2004)
May be somebody more in to economics can comment. Thanks.

]]> By: praveen http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10520 praveen Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:01:29 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10520 I feel that reservations in higher education are a luxury that only developed countries can afford. A country like India must promote merit if it wants to improve its economy. The govt should be more involved in providing primary education. But even there govt alone cannot muster enough resources considering the size of our population. Investing in primary education is not attractive to our politicians since the returns are not immediate, unlike in higher education. The state of higher education is in shambles. An engineering graduate does not really have practical skills that he can employ in a real world job. The diversity of jobs and hence education is very limited in our country. Law, tourism, wildlife, law enforcement, education, research in science and social issues, etc., do not attract bright minds or these fields hardly exist as an opportunity. The whole of education is considered to be a public good in India. One often hears that we need kind hearted people to get involved in education. I disagree. What we need are people with ideas and vision and a free environment for them to flourish. Good things will follow from this. You cannot achieve excellence by appealing to goodness and patriotism. Interviewing 3 year old kids is pathetic and should be made illegal. This is one issue where the public will fully support the govt. So I dont see why it is not being done. I feel that reservations in higher education are a luxury that only developed countries can afford. A country like India must promote merit if it wants to improve its economy. The govt should be more involved in providing primary education. But even there govt alone cannot muster enough resources considering the size of our population. Investing in primary education is not attractive to our politicians since the returns are not immediate, unlike in higher education.

The state of higher education is in shambles. An engineering graduate does not really have practical skills that he can employ in a real world job.

The diversity of jobs and hence education is very limited in our country. Law, tourism, wildlife, law enforcement, education, research in science and social issues, etc., do not attract bright minds or these fields hardly exist as an opportunity.

The whole of education is considered to be a public good in India. One often hears that we need kind hearted people to get involved in education. I disagree. What we need are people with ideas and vision and a free environment for them to flourish. Good things will follow from this. You cannot achieve excellence by appealing to goodness and patriotism.

Interviewing 3 year old kids is pathetic and should be made illegal. This is one issue where the public will fully support the govt. So I dont see why it is not being done.

]]> By: Gaurav http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10509 Gaurav Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:33:05 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10509 Ah! The joy of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendriya_Vidyalaya" rel="nofollow">Kendriya Vidyalaya</a> :-). I can not thank readers of this blog enough for subsidizing my education. On topic, Government monopolies are difficult to dismantle, but the other factor is competetive populism. DMK for TamilNadu election is offering a Colour TV to every family. Now only, if they were offering free internet connection ;-) Regards Ah! The joy of Kendriya Vidyalaya :-) .
I can not thank readers of this blog enough for subsidizing my education.

On topic, Government monopolies are difficult to dismantle, but the other factor is competetive populism.
DMK for TamilNadu election is offering a Colour TV to every family.
Now only, if they were offering free internet connection ;-)

Regards

]]> By: Aditya Athalye http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10498 Aditya Athalye Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:46:14 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10498 vivek... "quality engineering colleges" is an oxymoron....... vivek… “quality engineering colleges” is an oxymoron…….

]]> By: Vivek S http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10494 Vivek S Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:29:06 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10494 I used to wonder why my higher secondary was so painful. Shortage of quality engineering colleges. I knew i will get a seat as there were more colleges in TN. But to get into a quality one was the challenge. Now if i think of why it is so painful that some students think about suicide owing to pressure, the pressure is not because of exam or it is because of shortage in quality engineering colleges. If all the 100 are in good quality, teen-age will be sweet-age and not hell-age. I can think of Railways as another example of monopolisation. I used to wonder why my higher secondary was so painful. Shortage of quality engineering colleges. I knew i will get a seat as there were more colleges in TN. But to get into a quality one was the challenge. Now if i think of why it is so painful that some students think about suicide owing to pressure, the pressure is not because of exam or it is because of shortage in quality engineering colleges. If all the 100 are in good quality, teen-age will be sweet-age and not hell-age.

I can think of Railways as another example of monopolisation.

]]> By: Guru Gulab Khatri http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10485 Guru Gulab Khatri Wed, 05 Apr 2006 02:41:47 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10485 I know i have seen through this i was one of those kids who went through interviews with a jackass to get into a school(DPS) The only thing i was being tested was a) grooming. I kid you not. They did want to look at you physicaly. later i had learnt kids being rejected b/c they or their parents were not dressed up to a standard. b) weather or not i could speak english. Well that is a mark of true colony. In all i did get a great education if you count being smug towards my countrymen, my language, my culture. I know i have seen through this
i was one of those kids who went through
interviews with a jackass to get into a school(DPS)
The only thing i was being tested was
a) grooming. I kid you not.
They did want to look at you physicaly.
later i had learnt kids being rejected b/c they or their parents were not dressed up to a standard.
b) weather or not i could speak english.
Well that is a mark of true colony.
In all i did get a great education if you count being smug towards my countrymen, my language, my culture.

]]> By: Jayant N http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10426 Jayant N Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:22:38 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10426 Hello Atanu, I have been reading your blog off and on for quite some time now because you have the wonderful knack of addressing topical issues with clarity and simplicity. Can't say I always agree though. Unfortunately, since hardly 5% of the people in India have access to your blog I suspect, that you are more popular with NRIs (such as yours truly). I have attached a weblink which may perhaps interest your readers as well. Best Regards Jayant http://www.countercurrents.org/ind-sainath030406.htm Hello Atanu,
I have been reading your blog off and on for quite some time now because you have the wonderful knack of addressing topical issues with clarity and simplicity. Can’t say I always agree though.
Unfortunately, since hardly 5% of the people in India have access to your blog I suspect, that you are more popular with NRIs (such as yours truly). I have attached a weblink which may perhaps interest your readers as well.
Best Regards
Jayant
http://www.countercurrents.org/ind-sainath030406.htm

]]> By: Dimitar Vesselinov http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10389 Dimitar Vesselinov Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:59:32 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10389 The Education Podcast Network http://epnweb.org/index.php The Education Podcast Network
http://epnweb.org/index.php

]]> By: Bharath http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10368 Bharath Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:04:06 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10368 Well put, Atanu. I have more on this issue at my blog <a href="http://openforlight.wordpress.com/2006/04/04/why-eduction-in-india-sucks/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Far too many times in my life, I have been at the short end of the stick with regards to admissions. How I wish that the monopoly is ended and we have a free and fair education sector! Rural kids don't stand a chance with the way the whole thing is run now. Well put, Atanu. I have more on this issue at my blog here.

Far too many times in my life, I have been at the short end of the stick with regards to admissions. How I wish that the monopoly is ended and we have a free and fair education sector! Rural kids don’t stand a chance with the way the whole thing is run now.

]]> By: Malapati Raja Sekhar http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10357 Malapati Raja Sekhar Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:00:24 +0000 http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/04/04/education-matters-part-1/#comment-10357 <b>Reservations:</b> The polical leaders are playing "divide and rule" policy to keep their power. Raja Reservations: The polical leaders are playing “divide and rule” policy to keep their power.

Raja

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