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		<title>By: Atanu Dey on India&#8217;s Development  &#187; Why Free Speech</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/02/02/the-freedom-to-be-offended/comment-page-1/#comment-95990</link>
		<dc:creator>Atanu Dey on India&#8217;s Development  &#187; Why Free Speech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] diotic and if I dare say extremely evil.  	[Related post: The Freedom to be Offended&#8212;Part 1, Part 2, Part 3]   	 	           	    Add a Comment      [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Freedom Of Expression at  Psychotic Ramblings Of A Mad Man&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/02/02/the-freedom-to-be-offended/comment-page-1/#comment-29969</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedom Of Expression at  Psychotic Ramblings Of A Mad Man&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 07:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  should control the urge to look at them. That is at least what I think.  Related Reading: The Freedom T [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ijaz khan</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/02/02/the-freedom-to-be-offended/comment-page-1/#comment-5968</link>
		<dc:creator>ijaz khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have written a long lecture on freedom of speech, which almost everyone will agree to. But that&#039;s not the issue here: the question is whether racist views are being passed off in the pretext of freedom of speech. 

Articles criticing muslims faith are printed practically everyday and in every magazine across the world. If anything, almost every community in the world spends more time analyzing the muslims rather than themselves :-) But muslims are not objecting to any of those articles.

This was a specific case of intentionally provoking muslims with racist and offensive stuff. It came at a time when Denmark right wing groups had grown rapidly with the newspaper that published the cartoons itself being a christian right wing supporter.

Note that this controversy cannot be compared to the toilet paper one as this was an intentional provocation, not accidental. A closer comparison to the toilet paper controversy was that of Nike using muslims scriptures on their shoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have written a long lecture on freedom of speech, which almost everyone will agree to. But that&#8217;s not the issue here: the question is whether racist views are being passed off in the pretext of freedom of speech. </p>
<p>Articles criticing muslims faith are printed practically everyday and in every magazine across the world. If anything, almost every community in the world spends more time analyzing the muslims rather than themselves <img src='http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  But muslims are not objecting to any of those articles.</p>
<p>This was a specific case of intentionally provoking muslims with racist and offensive stuff. It came at a time when Denmark right wing groups had grown rapidly with the newspaper that published the cartoons itself being a christian right wing supporter.</p>
<p>Note that this controversy cannot be compared to the toilet paper one as this was an intentional provocation, not accidental. A closer comparison to the toilet paper controversy was that of Nike using muslims scriptures on their shoes.</p>
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		<title>By: T3,The Think Tank Chronicles. &#187; islam &#38; indian blogosphere?</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/02/02/the-freedom-to-be-offended/comment-page-1/#comment-5585</link>
		<dc:creator>T3,The Think Tank Chronicles. &#187; islam &#38; indian blogosphere?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] e some Islamic blinds to it? Atanu however has his views on the controversy.Â  The links:  The Freedom to be offended The Freedom to be offended. Part 2 The Freedom [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aditi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aditi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The debate over these cartoons and outrage misses a fundamental point - while millions of muslims have taken offence , the people who are burning buildings and creating mayhem are mostly poor marginalized young people -  they have few opportunities and no voice. The only way they can make themselves be counted is by rioting on the streets, and they are easy pray for  doddering hate mongering clerics. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debate over these cartoons and outrage misses a fundamental point &#8211; while millions of muslims have taken offence , the people who are burning buildings and creating mayhem are mostly poor marginalized young people &#8211;  they have few opportunities and no voice. The only way they can make themselves be counted is by rioting on the streets, and they are easy pray for  doddering hate mongering clerics.</p>
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		<title>By: spek</title>
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		<dc:creator>spek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom does not mean do anything you want, without recourse. Why not yell at an old woman on the street--or beat up a disabled person? We have the freedom to. But with that freedom comes responsibility, and ideally a balance of right, wrong and the sensitivities of the world at large. By saying that this is not right or insensitive or even plain dumb, is not infringing on anyone&#039;s right--it is simply the difference between right and wrong. When people go on about how important freedom is, they sometimes forget what freedom is. Being strong isn&#039;t about pressing weights--just like having freedom isn&#039;t about saying whatever you want whenever you want without thinking about the world around you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom does not mean do anything you want, without recourse. Why not yell at an old woman on the street&#8211;or beat up a disabled person? We have the freedom to. But with that freedom comes responsibility, and ideally a balance of right, wrong and the sensitivities of the world at large. By saying that this is not right or insensitive or even plain dumb, is not infringing on anyone&#8217;s right&#8211;it is simply the difference between right and wrong. When people go on about how important freedom is, they sometimes forget what freedom is. Being strong isn&#8217;t about pressing weights&#8211;just like having freedom isn&#8217;t about saying whatever you want whenever you want without thinking about the world around you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/02/02/the-freedom-to-be-offended/comment-page-1/#comment-5509</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A well written, balanced post. I wish I could write like this. But then, I&#039;d have to think like this, right? Glad we have you in blogosphere....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well written, balanced post. I wish I could write like this. But then, I&#8217;d have to think like this, right? Glad we have you in blogosphere&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 04:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu 
 One question, where are securalist in India when you need them ? 
These secularist were up in arms when Hindus took offense to MF Hussain painting Goddess Saraswati nude. Where is Javed Aktar, Shabana azmi today ? Why are they not fighting for freedom of speech. Freedom is not a one way street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu<br />
 One question, where are securalist in India when you need them ?<br />
These secularist were up in arms when Hindus took offense to MF Hussain painting Goddess Saraswati nude. Where is Javed Aktar, Shabana azmi today ? Why are they not fighting for freedom of speech. Freedom is not a one way street.</p>
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		<title>By: GetStucco</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/02/02/the-freedom-to-be-offended/comment-page-1/#comment-5483</link>
		<dc:creator>GetStucco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nath said...

&quot;Should there be laws preventing this sort of thing from happening in the future? I hope not, but a case could certainly be made for them.&quot;

Please do tell what that case would be?  To protect societies against the backlash of repressionists who would happily revoke the right of free expression?

I am an American.  There are many elements of American culture which I personally find deeply offensive -- Howard Stern, Jerry Falwell, Rush Limbaugh, and the Fox News Network come immediately to mind.  But nonetheless, I would come to the immediate defense of each and every one of these offensive individuals&#039; (or corporation&#039;s) right to free expression.  I can&#039;t stand any of them, and I don&#039;t ever watch or listen to any of them except through second-hand accounts, but my personal freedom of expression is nonetheless inexorably bound to theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nath said&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Should there be laws preventing this sort of thing from happening in the future? I hope not, but a case could certainly be made for them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please do tell what that case would be?  To protect societies against the backlash of repressionists who would happily revoke the right of free expression?</p>
<p>I am an American.  There are many elements of American culture which I personally find deeply offensive &#8212; Howard Stern, Jerry Falwell, Rush Limbaugh, and the Fox News Network come immediately to mind.  But nonetheless, I would come to the immediate defense of each and every one of these offensive individuals&#8217; (or corporation&#8217;s) right to free expression.  I can&#8217;t stand any of them, and I don&#8217;t ever watch or listen to any of them except through second-hand accounts, but my personal freedom of expression is nonetheless inexorably bound to theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: GetStucco</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/02/02/the-freedom-to-be-offended/comment-page-1/#comment-5482</link>
		<dc:creator>GetStucco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nu,

This is a beautifully written piece, and you are a hero of freedom.  Keep up the good work, and beware of the enemies of freedom who might try to thwart your efforts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nu,</p>
<p>This is a beautifully written piece, and you are a hero of freedom.  Keep up the good work, and beware of the enemies of freedom who might try to thwart your efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: GetStucco</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/02/02/the-freedom-to-be-offended/comment-page-1/#comment-5481</link>
		<dc:creator>GetStucco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œIf a nation or an individual values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony is that if it is comfort or money it values more, it will lose that too.â€
-W. Somerset Maugham

And for this reason above all others is the neocon notion of a Free Iraq fatally flawed.  For Islam and freedom are diametrically opposed by their very natures, and Iraq is an Islamic society.

 D&#039;oh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œIf a nation or an individual values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony is that if it is comfort or money it values more, it will lose that too.â€<br />
-W. Somerset Maugham</p>
<p>And for this reason above all others is the neocon notion of a Free Iraq fatally flawed.  For Islam and freedom are diametrically opposed by their very natures, and Iraq is an Islamic society.</p>
<p> D&#8217;oh!</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well-said, Atanu! :-) This issue has been getting a lot of play in the blogosphere, and I&#039;m pleased that you&#039;ve weighed in on it so wisely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well-said, Atanu! <img src='http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  This issue has been getting a lot of play in the blogosphere, and I&#8217;m pleased that you&#8217;ve weighed in on it so wisely.</p>
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		<title>By: Sameer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sameer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess a lot has been said about this issue. I saw one of the cartoons that depicted Mohammad as a terrorist with a bomb in his turban. I don&#039;t see how that is different than the anti-semitic statements made by the Mullahs in Iran. It shows how the cartoonist views the Muslim world.

European nations routinely condemn the statements by the Mullahs, but I don&#039;t see similar expressions of condemnation about that (particular) cartoon. 

Drawing those cartoons isn&#039;t illegal and the paper had all the rights to publish them. But doesn&#039;t that one cartoon (or may be some others too) depict a rash generalization that all Muslims are terrorists. Doesn&#039;t it perpetrate a stereotype that is probably accepted by many Europeans?

Defending the freedom of expression is fine. How about condemning hatred? You want to draw cartoons of Mohd. or Allah, fine! But is it OK if those cartoons spread hate too! By that logic Nazi literature and all other hateful works should be OK too.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess a lot has been said about this issue. I saw one of the cartoons that depicted Mohammad as a terrorist with a bomb in his turban. I don&#8217;t see how that is different than the anti-semitic statements made by the Mullahs in Iran. It shows how the cartoonist views the Muslim world.</p>
<p>European nations routinely condemn the statements by the Mullahs, but I don&#8217;t see similar expressions of condemnation about that (particular) cartoon. </p>
<p>Drawing those cartoons isn&#8217;t illegal and the paper had all the rights to publish them. But doesn&#8217;t that one cartoon (or may be some others too) depict a rash generalization that all Muslims are terrorists. Doesn&#8217;t it perpetrate a stereotype that is probably accepted by many Europeans?</p>
<p>Defending the freedom of expression is fine. How about condemning hatred? You want to draw cartoons of Mohd. or Allah, fine! But is it OK if those cartoons spread hate too! By that logic Nazi literature and all other hateful works should be OK too.</p>
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		<title>By: sarat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 05:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hav been reading ur articles for quite some time now..good to find liberals like u. completely agree with u. in my mind the question of freedom is simply unarguable. its a basic and fundamental right and ignoring this will only lead to more misery. organised religion based on fear of retribution and the resultant mob mentality is and sadly will be a major bane for the world at large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hav been reading ur articles for quite some time now..good to find liberals like u. completely agree with u. in my mind the question of freedom is simply unarguable. its a basic and fundamental right and ignoring this will only lead to more misery. organised religion based on fear of retribution and the resultant mob mentality is and sadly will be a major bane for the world at large.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two issues here that seem to be intertwined in this controversy. 
1)  The freedom of speech angle, which the Danish newspapers seem to be harping on. I think it isn&#039;t about that at all. Full Freedom of speech that these newspapers are talking about is not in any of these countries constitutions. Germany and France have laws in the books that criminalize anti-Semitic speech. Try painting a swastika for fun in a wall in Berlin. 
2) Freedom from Consequences: You can say what you want, it is my freedom to get offended by what you are saying. It can also be my choice to &#039;teach you a lesson&#039;. So don&#039;t complain when I organize a boycott. People in the middle east not buying Danish dairy products aren&#039;t muzzling free speech, they are making sure that there are consequences to free speech.

The whole issue was set up for controversy.  It is a naive editor who would not have expected death threats from the Mullahs. Those threats would have predictably caused other Europeans to scream &#039;Look how backward those Mullahs are&#039; (they are) and by extension the rest of the Muslim world. 
That was precisely the motive. There wasn&#039;t any sacred &#039;freedom of speech&#039; motive behind those cartoons. 
There was no intention of having any rational debate on the issues on hand, it was just a shrill call for the crazies on both sides  to crawl out of their woodwork.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two issues here that seem to be intertwined in this controversy.<br />
1)  The freedom of speech angle, which the Danish newspapers seem to be harping on. I think it isn&#8217;t about that at all. Full Freedom of speech that these newspapers are talking about is not in any of these countries constitutions. Germany and France have laws in the books that criminalize anti-Semitic speech. Try painting a swastika for fun in a wall in Berlin.<br />
2) Freedom from Consequences: You can say what you want, it is my freedom to get offended by what you are saying. It can also be my choice to &#8216;teach you a lesson&#8217;. So don&#8217;t complain when I organize a boycott. People in the middle east not buying Danish dairy products aren&#8217;t muzzling free speech, they are making sure that there are consequences to free speech.</p>
<p>The whole issue was set up for controversy.  It is a naive editor who would not have expected death threats from the Mullahs. Those threats would have predictably caused other Europeans to scream &#8216;Look how backward those Mullahs are&#8217; (they are) and by extension the rest of the Muslim world.<br />
That was precisely the motive. There wasn&#8217;t any sacred &#8216;freedom of speech&#8217; motive behind those cartoons.<br />
There was no intention of having any rational debate on the issues on hand, it was just a shrill call for the crazies on both sides  to crawl out of their woodwork.</p>
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		<title>By: Anurag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anurag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, most things that could be said about this have been said. Tolerance, or sentivity, of intolerance is certainly not acceptable in a liberal society. As a free individual, the cartoonists are well within their rights to print watever the heck they like, as long as it is within the laws of the land. Anyone heard the mullahs in Iran and elsewhere openly calling Jews the &quot;sons of pigs&quot; and wat not, from the pulpit no less. I don&#039;t see any demonstartions there to be sensitive to other cultures. Wat is right for them, ain&#039;t right for others, that it? Shameless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, most things that could be said about this have been said. Tolerance, or sentivity, of intolerance is certainly not acceptable in a liberal society. As a free individual, the cartoonists are well within their rights to print watever the heck they like, as long as it is within the laws of the land. Anyone heard the mullahs in Iran and elsewhere openly calling Jews the &#8220;sons of pigs&#8221; and wat not, from the pulpit no less. I don&#8217;t see any demonstartions there to be sensitive to other cultures. Wat is right for them, ain&#8217;t right for others, that it? Shameless!</p>
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		<title>By: Mihir's Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihir's Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Danish controversy&lt;/strong&gt;

Atanu Dey  has a piece on his  Deesha  blog about a  recent controversy brewing in Denmark  regarding some  journalists printing cartoons related to Muhammad . I like Atanu&#039;s analysis on the piece and this leaves me wondering as well.  
 

	
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<p>Atanu Dey  has a piece on his  Deesha  blog about a  recent controversy brewing in Denmark  regarding some  journalists printing cartoons related to Muhammad . I like Atanu&#8217;s analysis on the piece and this leaves me wondering as well.  </p>
<p> This&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mihir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good piece Atanu. 
A pov from freedom of speech perspective: 

This sort of reaction is certainly not restricted to the Muslim world. Sans the extremism, anything offending we find against the Hindus, we will certainly make a huge outcry about. Of course no death threats would be involved. We would sign petitions over petitions which is a democratic way of going about it. But the question is why do we get offended so easily? 

Remember the incidents like certain offensive scenes in Eyes wide shut which had Sanskrit mantras in the background, Indian gods on toliet seats, and other much minor other incidents? 

I have always wondered why we tend to take anything we see in the foreign media so offensive? Is it because we cannot ever see such things happening in India? Why is not the population in the western world not offended by some cartoons we print in our newspapers slandering Bush or even burning effigies or flags of public folks of the western world? Are westerners able to take criticism/humor much better than asians? Do Asians perceive freedom of speech differently than westerners? Is the western world too insensitized to the eastern world and vice versa? Is it religion? 

wondering... 
Mihir
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece Atanu.<br />
A pov from freedom of speech perspective: </p>
<p>This sort of reaction is certainly not restricted to the Muslim world. Sans the extremism, anything offending we find against the Hindus, we will certainly make a huge outcry about. Of course no death threats would be involved. We would sign petitions over petitions which is a democratic way of going about it. But the question is why do we get offended so easily? </p>
<p>Remember the incidents like certain offensive scenes in Eyes wide shut which had Sanskrit mantras in the background, Indian gods on toliet seats, and other much minor other incidents? </p>
<p>I have always wondered why we tend to take anything we see in the foreign media so offensive? Is it because we cannot ever see such things happening in India? Why is not the population in the western world not offended by some cartoons we print in our newspapers slandering Bush or even burning effigies or flags of public folks of the western world? Are westerners able to take criticism/humor much better than asians? Do Asians perceive freedom of speech differently than westerners? Is the western world too insensitized to the eastern world and vice versa? Is it religion? </p>
<p>wondering&#8230;<br />
Mihir</p>
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		<title>By: Dreamweaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreamweaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess by the same standard I can burn the Indian flag outside India, or as the Arabs did, boycott Danish goods. So why the furore?
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&lt;strong&gt;Atanu&#039;s response: &lt;/strong&gt;Yes, that is right. Freedom of expression includes the freedom to express oneself by burning flags -- they are symbols just like words are symbols. You may need to re-examine your understanding of why a symbol cannot be used. Burning flags to show disgust with something should be protected speech. 

One should be free to burn whatever -- including the flag -- provided that it is one&#039;s property and if the burning does not impinge on the other person&#039;s right to clean air. &lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess by the same standard I can burn the Indian flag outside India, or as the Arabs did, boycott Danish goods. So why the furore?<br />
<em><br />
<strong>Atanu&#8217;s response: </strong>Yes, that is right. Freedom of expression includes the freedom to express oneself by burning flags &#8212; they are symbols just like words are symbols. You may need to re-examine your understanding of why a symbol cannot be used. Burning flags to show disgust with something should be protected speech. </p>
<p>One should be free to burn whatever &#8212; including the flag &#8212; provided that it is one&#8217;s property and if the burning does not impinge on the other person&#8217;s right to clean air. </em></p>
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		<title>By: DesiPundit &#187; Taking Offence</title>
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		<dc:creator>DesiPundit &#187; Taking Offence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Atanu Dey on India&#8217;s Development  &#187; The Freedom to be Offended &#8212; Part 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atanu Dey on India&#8217;s Development  &#187; The Freedom to be Offended &#8212; Part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nath</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Expressing oneself freely within the confines of the law and without duress is one of the cornerstones of liberal societies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Agreed. The tough part is choosing where exactly to draw the line between legal and illegal.

Freedom of speech is not limitless. To use a cliched example, you can&#039;t walk into a crowded movie theatre and shout &#039;Fire!&#039;. You can&#039;t publicly defame another entity. The primary purpose of free speech (in democracy) is to allow balanced assessment of a government&#039;s policies without fear of retribution, in order to allow people to make an informed decision.

The Muhammad cartoons are not slander. They don&#039;t create stampedes in movie theatres. Frankly, I don&#039;t even see what&#039;s so offensive about them. However, there&#039;s no denying that they have caused significant harm in Denmark and elsewhere. Should the cartoonists be punished? Of course not -- they did nothing illegal. Should there be laws preventing this sort of thing from happening in the future? I hope not, but a case could certainly be made for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Expressing oneself freely within the confines of the law and without duress is one of the cornerstones of liberal societies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed. The tough part is choosing where exactly to draw the line between legal and illegal.</p>
<p>Freedom of speech is not limitless. To use a cliched example, you can&#8217;t walk into a crowded movie theatre and shout &#8216;Fire!&#8217;. You can&#8217;t publicly defame another entity. The primary purpose of free speech (in democracy) is to allow balanced assessment of a government&#8217;s policies without fear of retribution, in order to allow people to make an informed decision.</p>
<p>The Muhammad cartoons are not slander. They don&#8217;t create stampedes in movie theatres. Frankly, I don&#8217;t even see what&#8217;s so offensive about them. However, there&#8217;s no denying that they have caused significant harm in Denmark and elsewhere. Should the cartoonists be punished? Of course not &#8212; they did nothing illegal. Should there be laws preventing this sort of thing from happening in the future? I hope not, but a case could certainly be made for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sahil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sahil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu, you discuss the Swastika and the fact it is sacred to many Indians.  But in the context of free speech and expression, sanctity is irrelevant; even the Nazis can use it to express themselves.  When interpreting the law, people too often get trapped in the morality of the situation.  I was offended by the caricatures.  They were dispicable, yes; illegal, probably not.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Atanu&#039;s response:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, the swastika is sacred to Indians. And it is a symbol of Nazi oppression to Jews. Jews can lump it if they don&#039;t like Hindus using the swastika as a symbol of good health and fortune.

That is what it is all about. Symbols and their interpretations depend on the people who imbue the symbols with meaning. Insisting that you don&#039;t use a symbol that is offensive to me is at best silly. If I don&#039;t like the symbol that you use, I am free to go find some other symbol that I want to use. My insistence that you stop using some symbol merely because I go ballistic when I see that symbol is imposing my will on you. My imposing my will on you is not consistent with your freedom.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu, you discuss the Swastika and the fact it is sacred to many Indians.  But in the context of free speech and expression, sanctity is irrelevant; even the Nazis can use it to express themselves.  When interpreting the law, people too often get trapped in the morality of the situation.  I was offended by the caricatures.  They were dispicable, yes; illegal, probably not.</p>
<p><em><strong>Atanu&#8217;s response:</strong> Yes, the swastika is sacred to Indians. And it is a symbol of Nazi oppression to Jews. Jews can lump it if they don&#8217;t like Hindus using the swastika as a symbol of good health and fortune.</p>
<p>That is what it is all about. Symbols and their interpretations depend on the people who imbue the symbols with meaning. Insisting that you don&#8217;t use a symbol that is offensive to me is at best silly. If I don&#8217;t like the symbol that you use, I am free to go find some other symbol that I want to use. My insistence that you stop using some symbol merely because I go ballistic when I see that symbol is imposing my will on you. My imposing my will on you is not consistent with your freedom.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Parvati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parvati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My position is that the freedom of expression is an inalienable human right. Societies that deny this right are despotic, barbarian, and regressive. And people who donâ€™t value the full exercise of the right to free expression are not fully evolved.&quot; - I think that societies and human beings who have no idea how to respect another religion are despotic, barbarian and regressive. Right to freedom of expression is not the be-all and end-all of life. Life is more important than this right. Understanding others and being sensitized to other people is of foremost importance in this world full of a billion different ideas. 

There are certain things people are willing to kill for - to you it might be the right to freedom of expression, to the next person it might be his dedication to his religion. 

A wife might be willing to give up her right to this freedom for the welfare and harmony of her family. Same goes to the world as a whole. At least where religion goes, people should know when and how to express their opinions. 

Within the law of a society and right to freedom of expression - the combination of these two things itself is  a joke. In which case make the law of a society such that such foolishness as in Denmark doesnt repeat itself or such dastardly breaking upof the Babri Masjid as an expression of the anguish of Hindus over not being able to have a proper full fledged temple for Sri Ram doesnt ever happen in any other country. Freedom of expression doesnt mean stupidity, or a hardened desensitized nature or such arrogant narrow mindedness as evinced by the journalist of the paper...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My position is that the freedom of expression is an inalienable human right. Societies that deny this right are despotic, barbarian, and regressive. And people who donâ€™t value the full exercise of the right to free expression are not fully evolved.&#8221; &#8211; I think that societies and human beings who have no idea how to respect another religion are despotic, barbarian and regressive. Right to freedom of expression is not the be-all and end-all of life. Life is more important than this right. Understanding others and being sensitized to other people is of foremost importance in this world full of a billion different ideas. </p>
<p>There are certain things people are willing to kill for &#8211; to you it might be the right to freedom of expression, to the next person it might be his dedication to his religion. </p>
<p>A wife might be willing to give up her right to this freedom for the welfare and harmony of her family. Same goes to the world as a whole. At least where religion goes, people should know when and how to express their opinions. </p>
<p>Within the law of a society and right to freedom of expression &#8211; the combination of these two things itself is  a joke. In which case make the law of a society such that such foolishness as in Denmark doesnt repeat itself or such dastardly breaking upof the Babri Masjid as an expression of the anguish of Hindus over not being able to have a proper full fledged temple for Sri Ram doesnt ever happen in any other country. Freedom of expression doesnt mean stupidity, or a hardened desensitized nature or such arrogant narrow mindedness as evinced by the journalist of the paper&#8230;</p>
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