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		<title>By: G.Gautama</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-15447</link>
		<dc:creator>G.Gautama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 11:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading the piece and the responses. Education has lost much and gained little through the progress of history. Dharampal&#039;s &#039;Beautiful Tree&#039; points to an ancient model, shaped over centuries, that is rapidly gaining relevance in the small, individual centred, friendly, flexible requirement of the future. Anamolies exist at both ends of the Bolzmann&#039;s curve and the school of the kind you have written about is anamolous. However, the tragedy is the mainsltream is established and, as an educator if i may comment, rapidly running towards a dead end. Either climb the wall and go into high cost alternatives, or collapse. The option of reinventing, rethinking does not seem to be gaining momentum. 
Salaries - sure salaries are needed! And surely better salaries are needed. But salaries are never going to get the teachers. And cultures are not built on salaries. And school is a place of adult sharing and an atmosphere. Atmosphere has less to do with money and more to do with care and dedication. 
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading the piece and the responses. Education has lost much and gained little through the progress of history. Dharampal&#8217;s &#8216;Beautiful Tree&#8217; points to an ancient model, shaped over centuries, that is rapidly gaining relevance in the small, individual centred, friendly, flexible requirement of the future. Anamolies exist at both ends of the Bolzmann&#8217;s curve and the school of the kind you have written about is anamolous. However, the tragedy is the mainsltream is established and, as an educator if i may comment, rapidly running towards a dead end. Either climb the wall and go into high cost alternatives, or collapse. The option of reinventing, rethinking does not seem to be gaining momentum.<br />
Salaries &#8211; sure salaries are needed! And surely better salaries are needed. But salaries are never going to get the teachers. And cultures are not built on salaries. And school is a place of adult sharing and an atmosphere. Atmosphere has less to do with money and more to do with care and dedication.<br />
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: musings of an iconoclast: tarun upadhyay&#8217;s blog  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; why is everything in india named after gandhis?</title>
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		<dc:creator>musings of an iconoclast: tarun upadhyay&#8217;s blog  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; why is everything in india named after gandhis?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 19:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ? 			 		 	 		 			why is everything in india named after gandhis? 	 			 				Atanu Dey makes an excellent side point in his blog yesterday. Why is everything in India named after the Gandhis? The hug [...]</description>
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		<title>By: raman</title>
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		<dc:creator>raman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read all the coments and yaa got admired and thought a lot about it.. read abt the expensive school in pune dont think a common man can afford it or not but surely we are loosing some focus for thousands of those who dont even get a chance to see schools. ......
such thoughts often come to my mind and i wanted to do something for them or amdmire those who are doint it atleast ........

then i came to know about this site through one of my friends so i am leaving a link so that you can check them

http://www.ginindia.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read all the coments and yaa got admired and thought a lot about it.. read abt the expensive school in pune dont think a common man can afford it or not but surely we are loosing some focus for thousands of those who dont even get a chance to see schools. &#8230;&#8230;<br />
such thoughts often come to my mind and i wanted to do something for them or amdmire those who are doint it atleast &#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>then i came to know about this site through one of my friends so i am leaving a link so that you can check them</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ginindia.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ginindia.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Binu Sankar</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4346</link>
		<dc:creator>Binu Sankar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Atanu. Your Article exposes the real India. As you have said Education is a big business and the mushrooming of these International Schools infact supports it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Atanu. Your Article exposes the real India. As you have said Education is a big business and the mushrooming of these International Schools infact supports it.</p>
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		<title>By: tejas</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4276</link>
		<dc:creator>tejas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aniruddha, i am afraid i do not see how unschooling literally adds value as you claim. it is possible that unschooling leads to improved personal development but it would be nice to see documentation that unschooling can be done with some structure that leads to scientific and technological advancement as well (which most humans are after). that two of the unschooling links refer to christian/catholic influences doesnt help either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aniruddha, i am afraid i do not see how unschooling literally adds value as you claim. it is possible that unschooling leads to improved personal development but it would be nice to see documentation that unschooling can be done with some structure that leads to scientific and technological advancement as well (which most humans are after). that two of the unschooling links refer to christian/catholic influences doesnt help either.</p>
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		<title>By: Ram</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4197</link>
		<dc:creator>Ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nehru went to england but he did not got any degree there. He discontinued his studies. He never practised law in India. His father is a prominent lawyer.He never was.His father&#039;s money made him the politician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nehru went to england but he did not got any degree there. He discontinued his studies. He never practised law in India. His father is a prominent lawyer.He never was.His father&#8217;s money made him the politician.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Aniruddha Malpani, MD</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4079</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Aniruddha Malpani, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Educating children is important. However, schools are not the right place to educate children. They are actually the worst !  Even if it&#039;s a Rolls Royce of a school, it still controls children, and takes away their freedom. Unschooling ( more information at http://www.holtgws.com/whatisunschoolin.html) 
is a far more valuable concept - do we have the courage to implement this ? Please read Holt&#039;s books - they may change your views about schools !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Educating children is important. However, schools are not the right place to educate children. They are actually the worst !  Even if it&#8217;s a Rolls Royce of a school, it still controls children, and takes away their freedom. Unschooling ( more information at <a href="http://www.holtgws.com/whatisunschoolin.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.holtgws.com/whatisunschoolin.html)</a><br />
is a far more valuable concept &#8211; do we have the courage to implement this ? Please read Holt&#8217;s books &#8211; they may change your views about schools !</p>
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		<title>By: My CAN-I Thought Process!</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4061</link>
		<dc:creator>My CAN-I Thought Process!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Building India&lt;/strong&gt;

Lately, I have been visiting various universities in USA in the process of figuring out the best school to pursue my MBA. All universities I visited were started around 100 to 200 years ago. After visiting them, I started concluding...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Building India</strong></p>
<p>Lately, I have been visiting various universities in USA in the process of figuring out the best school to pursue my MBA. All universities I visited were started around 100 to 200 years ago. After visiting them, I started concluding&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pankaj</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4060</link>
		<dc:creator>Pankaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Atanu,

I think the beginning years, post-1947, were most important. There were other much capable men with vision and drive who should have been appointed the Education minister but Nehru unfortunately appointed his lifelong crony, the Muslim fundamentalist Maulana Azad as Indias first education minister. 

I think the decline began with this nihilist decision made by Nehru in the very beginning years of Indian independence. As more is learned about this Maulana with the passing of time, he comes out not just a fundamentalist but also a very deceptive charlatan.

In 1985, Rajiv Gandhi created a stalinist style HRD ministry and all hopes for vision and educational reform died permanently. Our education system now lies firmly in the grasp of babus who have  mugged text books all their lives. They  cannot be expected to have any vision to affect any change or reform. Our minds on the other hand is firmly in the grasp of the communist-muslim combine who write all the textbooks being read in our cbse run schools. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Atanu,</p>
<p>I think the beginning years, post-1947, were most important. There were other much capable men with vision and drive who should have been appointed the Education minister but Nehru unfortunately appointed his lifelong crony, the Muslim fundamentalist Maulana Azad as Indias first education minister. </p>
<p>I think the decline began with this nihilist decision made by Nehru in the very beginning years of Indian independence. As more is learned about this Maulana with the passing of time, he comes out not just a fundamentalist but also a very deceptive charlatan.</p>
<p>In 1985, Rajiv Gandhi created a stalinist style HRD ministry and all hopes for vision and educational reform died permanently. Our education system now lies firmly in the grasp of babus who have  mugged text books all their lives. They  cannot be expected to have any vision to affect any change or reform. Our minds on the other hand is firmly in the grasp of the communist-muslim combine who write all the textbooks being read in our cbse run schools.</p>
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		<title>By: shibani</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4059</link>
		<dc:creator>shibani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gaurav,have u ever visited a school like the one mentioned?i suggest u do...most of us(in india) study in schools where so much emphasis is put on marks and grades that we lose sight of the end result- gaining knowledge.i can remember countless nights spent cramming for exams to come out with flying colours the next day...do i remember what exacltly it was that i studied?nope..not a word...having friends who studied in i.b. schools i know from (nearly) personal experience that the emphasis is more on understanding the very roots of a subject....thereby ensuring that u never quite forget what u study...also i think it&#039;s incredible that one can study a wide variety of subjects ranging from art to nuclear physics!!...an option that is woefully lacking in the indian educational system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gaurav,have u ever visited a school like the one mentioned?i suggest u do&#8230;most of us(in india) study in schools where so much emphasis is put on marks and grades that we lose sight of the end result- gaining knowledge.i can remember countless nights spent cramming for exams to come out with flying colours the next day&#8230;do i remember what exacltly it was that i studied?nope..not a word&#8230;having friends who studied in i.b. schools i know from (nearly) personal experience that the emphasis is more on understanding the very roots of a subject&#8230;.thereby ensuring that u never quite forget what u study&#8230;also i think it&#8217;s incredible that one can study a wide variety of subjects ranging from art to nuclear physics!!&#8230;an option that is woefully lacking in the indian educational system.</p>
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		<title>By: Shivani</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4057</link>
		<dc:creator>Shivani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wonderful post...
SloganMurugan posed the question:&lt;i&gt;Why would anyone name the school after a car?&lt;/i&gt; Indeed the name sounds a little funny :) 

Unless the teachers are paid well enough - people like me would feel inhibition in going for it - ...

&lt;strong&gt;Atanu&#039;s response:&lt;em&gt; The school is named after the company which started the school for benefit of its expatriates who were working in Pune. As it happens, the company is an engineering firm, which makes cars among other things. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonderful post&#8230;<br />
SloganMurugan posed the question:<i>Why would anyone name the school after a car?</i> Indeed the name sounds a little funny <img src='http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Unless the teachers are paid well enough &#8211; people like me would feel inhibition in going for it &#8211; &#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Atanu&#8217;s response:<em> The school is named after the company which started the school for benefit of its expatriates who were working in Pune. As it happens, the company is an engineering firm, which makes cars among other things. </em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Rangachari Anand</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4056</link>
		<dc:creator>Rangachari Anand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two points: 

First: Its not just India where there is much hand-wringing about education. practically, every day in the New York Times, there is a op-ed about the deplorable state of education in the US. world-over, there seems to be concern about education although of course the nature of the problems vary.

Second: There seems to be rich irony in the fact that IB schools in India are importing teachers from UK and US while Indians are tutoring students in America over the Internet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points: </p>
<p>First: Its not just India where there is much hand-wringing about education. practically, every day in the New York Times, there is a op-ed about the deplorable state of education in the US. world-over, there seems to be concern about education although of course the nature of the problems vary.</p>
<p>Second: There seems to be rich irony in the fact that IB schools in India are importing teachers from UK and US while Indians are tutoring students in America over the Internet!</p>
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		<title>By: mitra</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4055</link>
		<dc:creator>mitra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schools like this are nothing more than a fad. IQ is mostly inherited. Schools dont matter a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schools like this are nothing more than a fad. IQ is mostly inherited. Schools dont matter a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4054</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pretty much half the things around India are named after the Nehru-Gandhi family. What astonishes me most is when educational institutions are named after the family which does not have a single graduate degree among the whole lot of them.&quot;
Wasn&#039;t Nehru a graduate? If I remember right, he practised law in India and was a member of the English bar as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pretty much half the things around India are named after the Nehru-Gandhi family. What astonishes me most is when educational institutions are named after the family which does not have a single graduate degree among the whole lot of them.&#8221;<br />
Wasn&#8217;t Nehru a graduate? If I remember right, he practised law in India and was a member of the English bar as well.</p>
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		<title>By: SloganMurugan</title>
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		<dc:creator>SloganMurugan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would anyone name the school after a car? 

The other side:
Here&#039;s a detailed story on the Mid-day meal schemes across India.

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2016/stories/20030815002208500.htm

Trivia: The GOI pays Re.1 per student.per day  to the state government for implementing the Mid day meal scheme. The remaining part of the meal is financed by the state govt. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would anyone name the school after a car? </p>
<p>The other side:<br />
Here&#8217;s a detailed story on the Mid-day meal schemes across India.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2016/stories/20030815002208500.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2016/stories/20030815002208500.htm</a></p>
<p>Trivia: The GOI pays Re.1 per student.per day  to the state government for implementing the Mid day meal scheme. The remaining part of the meal is financed by the state govt.</p>
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		<title>By: Gautam</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4052</link>
		<dc:creator>Gautam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless education gives rise to teachers who get paid much more than they make now, we will keep getting these &#039;shining&#039; schools...where the focus is more on the infrastructure than the learning and students.

I know a personal example, my wife did her M.Sc.Education from the Regional Insitute of Education Mysore and then joined a college in Hyderabad to teach Chemistry to the B.Sc. students. She joined at a salary of Rs. 2,400 and four years later it was Rs. 2,800 !! 

No wonder she gave up on her idealism and the long hours and went ahead and did an MBA.

A nation where undergraduate BPO workers get paid more than post graduate teachers is a time bomb waiting to happen...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless education gives rise to teachers who get paid much more than they make now, we will keep getting these &#8217;shining&#8217; schools&#8230;where the focus is more on the infrastructure than the learning and students.</p>
<p>I know a personal example, my wife did her M.Sc.Education from the Regional Insitute of Education Mysore and then joined a college in Hyderabad to teach Chemistry to the B.Sc. students. She joined at a salary of Rs. 2,400 and four years later it was Rs. 2,800 !! </p>
<p>No wonder she gave up on her idealism and the long hours and went ahead and did an MBA.</p>
<p>A nation where undergraduate BPO workers get paid more than post graduate teachers is a time bomb waiting to happen&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Krishnan</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4050</link>
		<dc:creator>Krishnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest scarcity is that of teachers and not of space. To get around this,some state governments beam educational programs for primary schools via satellite (DSERT Karnataka is one of them). Although the quality of the content/programming is not top quality, it is perhaps better than what 90% of the schools offer. Morover,  it is a scalable solution. The cost of setting up a &quot;satellite school&quot; is not very high (Rs 3000 for a Ku-band dish, Rs 5000 for a 14 inch colour TV and maybe Rs 7000 for a small UPS). With the above equipment, even a thatched roof hut can serve as the classroom (there is one such classroom in Chamarajnagar in Karnataka). As the cost of producing media has dropped (one can compose a decent video with a handycam), perhaps an &quot;open source&quot; effort will be useful in creating good content that could then be beamed via satellite.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest scarcity is that of teachers and not of space. To get around this,some state governments beam educational programs for primary schools via satellite (DSERT Karnataka is one of them). Although the quality of the content/programming is not top quality, it is perhaps better than what 90% of the schools offer. Morover,  it is a scalable solution. The cost of setting up a &#8220;satellite school&#8221; is not very high (Rs 3000 for a Ku-band dish, Rs 5000 for a 14 inch colour TV and maybe Rs 7000 for a small UPS). With the above equipment, even a thatched roof hut can serve as the classroom (there is one such classroom in Chamarajnagar in Karnataka). As the cost of producing media has dropped (one can compose a decent video with a handycam), perhaps an &#8220;open source&#8221; effort will be useful in creating good content that could then be beamed via satellite.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaurav</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4047</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaurav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree to the fact that recently a lot of schools adhering to IB have flourished in the country. But I am damn sceptical about the value that they will add to the students, be it academic or otherwise. Howsoever we may crib about the inherant lacunas of our educational system still I cannot see this drop in the ocean solving anything. And contrary to what a comment says I have seen even C- students faring much better than they are expected to. Its just a frame of reference. The more you go up the quality spectrum, the more tough it gets to hold on to even shabby grades while in places like the one described grades and even studies become secondary or for that sake inconsequential. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree to the fact that recently a lot of schools adhering to IB have flourished in the country. But I am damn sceptical about the value that they will add to the students, be it academic or otherwise. Howsoever we may crib about the inherant lacunas of our educational system still I cannot see this drop in the ocean solving anything. And contrary to what a comment says I have seen even C- students faring much better than they are expected to. Its just a frame of reference. The more you go up the quality spectrum, the more tough it gets to hold on to even shabby grades while in places like the one described grades and even studies become secondary or for that sake inconsequential.</p>
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		<title>By: Uday</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nath, Atanu

Among all the subjects in secondary school until class X, the one receiving the shabbiest treatment is History. This is true across boards - CBSE, ICSE, state boards. The aim is simply to regurgitate voluminous junk, and spit out numerous bullet points verbatim. There is not even a token pretense of debating issues, making educative comparisons, and creative exploration. With our IT and science mania, this important subject is completely neglected. Later in life, IT actually becomes a blessing for the curious, as the web allows us to so easily explore what we aren&#039;t taught.

A huge missing component in the Indian school curriculum is Music. All prestigous intellectual schools in Europe have mandatory instruction in Music, and it shows. We don&#039;t necessarily need to ape the west and learn western classical music (though its not a bad idea at all!). Our own Indian classical music is replete with brilliance, inspiration, and math.

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<p>Among all the subjects in secondary school until class X, the one receiving the shabbiest treatment is History. This is true across boards &#8211; CBSE, ICSE, state boards. The aim is simply to regurgitate voluminous junk, and spit out numerous bullet points verbatim. There is not even a token pretense of debating issues, making educative comparisons, and creative exploration. With our IT and science mania, this important subject is completely neglected. Later in life, IT actually becomes a blessing for the curious, as the web allows us to so easily explore what we aren&#8217;t taught.</p>
<p>A huge missing component in the Indian school curriculum is Music. All prestigous intellectual schools in Europe have mandatory instruction in Music, and it shows. We don&#8217;t necessarily need to ape the west and learn western classical music (though its not a bad idea at all!). Our own Indian classical music is replete with brilliance, inspiration, and math.</p>
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		<title>By: Nath</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could go on for pages about the flaws of the Indian educational system, but I wouldn&#039;t call it moribund. I&#039;m impressed with how we teach mathematics and the physical sciences. I keep coming across straight-A students from all around the world unable to write a simple mathematical proof, or solve questions they haven&#039;t seen before. I&#039;ll admit that the social sciences are a bit of a joke (at least in CBSE), but at least the sheer volume of mindless work instills some useful work habits. I think CBSE&#039;s biggest flaw is the English program, though. People are actually penalized for using correct grammar in exams.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Atanu&#039;s response&lt;/strong&gt;: Nath, I am afraid that &quot;the sheer volume of mindless work&quot; instills mindless work habit, not &quot;useful work habits.&quot; Mindless practise can only lead to mindless outcomes, otherwise we would not be calling them mindless and instead call them useful.

Mindless work habits deaden and kill precisely those innate drives within children that make them creative, spontaneous problem solvers. Drill is all very fine for creating killing machines as is done in the military but has no place in institutions that are charged with making productive citizens. 

It is not surprising that those who have benefitted from the Indian educational system are the ones that praise it as being very good. Those who did not--and they form the majority--cannot possibly be heard because they neither have the power nor the understanding of how the system is flawed and stacked against them. 

Maybe the top of the heap that comes out of the Indian educational system can be compared favorably to the top of the heap of other educational systems. But the merits of these outliers cannot be employed to justify the proposition that on average the Indian educational system is working for the children of India.&lt;/em&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could go on for pages about the flaws of the Indian educational system, but I wouldn&#8217;t call it moribund. I&#8217;m impressed with how we teach mathematics and the physical sciences. I keep coming across straight-A students from all around the world unable to write a simple mathematical proof, or solve questions they haven&#8217;t seen before. I&#8217;ll admit that the social sciences are a bit of a joke (at least in CBSE), but at least the sheer volume of mindless work instills some useful work habits. I think CBSE&#8217;s biggest flaw is the English program, though. People are actually penalized for using correct grammar in exams.</p>
<p><em><strong>Atanu&#8217;s response</strong>: Nath, I am afraid that &#8220;the sheer volume of mindless work&#8221; instills mindless work habit, not &#8220;useful work habits.&#8221; Mindless practise can only lead to mindless outcomes, otherwise we would not be calling them mindless and instead call them useful.</p>
<p>Mindless work habits deaden and kill precisely those innate drives within children that make them creative, spontaneous problem solvers. Drill is all very fine for creating killing machines as is done in the military but has no place in institutions that are charged with making productive citizens. </p>
<p>It is not surprising that those who have benefitted from the Indian educational system are the ones that praise it as being very good. Those who did not&#8211;and they form the majority&#8211;cannot possibly be heard because they neither have the power nor the understanding of how the system is flawed and stacked against them. </p>
<p>Maybe the top of the heap that comes out of the Indian educational system can be compared favorably to the top of the heap of other educational systems. But the merits of these outliers cannot be employed to justify the proposition that on average the Indian educational system is working for the children of India.</em></p>
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		<title>By: My CAN-I Thought Process!</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4041</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Life is a random draw for Kids in India&lt;/strong&gt;

Atanu Dey on Indiaâ€™s Development » Random Education Thoughts writes about his thoughts after visiting one of the most expensive schools of India. I would describe the Mercedes Benz International School in Pune to be the Rolls-Royce of schools in...</description>
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<p>Atanu Dey on Indiaâ€™s Development » Random Education Thoughts writes about his thoughts after visiting one of the most expensive schools of India. I would describe the Mercedes Benz International School in Pune to be the Rolls-Royce of schools in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Srini</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always wondered how Indians can be proud of their country when there are so many desperately needy people living there. I&#039;ve concluded that Indians cannot be proud at all, despite the flag waving and &#039;mera bharat mahaan&#039; rhetoric. We have the current, corrupt, political system and systemic inefficiencies because we demand so little and rationalize misery very easily using the concept of fate. Proud people don&#039;t do that. Yes, I&#039;m sure we&#039;re proud of some of our accomplishments, but how can we take pride in our society? I can only hope that the coming generations of Indians realize that pride and active participation in changing the shape of society go hand in hand. Therein lies the true value of an education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always wondered how Indians can be proud of their country when there are so many desperately needy people living there. I&#8217;ve concluded that Indians cannot be proud at all, despite the flag waving and &#8216;mera bharat mahaan&#8217; rhetoric. We have the current, corrupt, political system and systemic inefficiencies because we demand so little and rationalize misery very easily using the concept of fate. Proud people don&#8217;t do that. Yes, I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;re proud of some of our accomplishments, but how can we take pride in our society? I can only hope that the coming generations of Indians realize that pride and active participation in changing the shape of society go hand in hand. Therein lies the true value of an education.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikram Asrani</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4039</link>
		<dc:creator>Vikram Asrani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article reminded me of something. I just thought I&#039;d point you towards the DSS : the door step school which provides education to children of families working in the labour sector. (you can get the link off Google). They go around picking up children, taking them to a site, and providing them education all for a nominal sum. 

It also reminded me of the following anonymous quote - 

If you are planning for a year, sow rice, if you are planning for a  decade, plant trees, if you are planning for a lifetime, educate people. 
&lt;em&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Atanu&#039;s response:&lt;/strong&gt; Vikram, I had used that quote in my post &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deeshaa.org/2003/10/23/education-for-a-nation/&quot;&gt;Education for a Nation&lt;/a&gt;&quot; which started off with&lt;/em&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;An old Chinese saying (I assume all Chinese sayings are old except the ones that come from the little Red Book) goes:

&lt;strong&gt;If you are planning for a year, sow rice; if you are planning for a decade, plant trees; if you are planning for a lifetime, educate people.&lt;/strong&gt;

In the context of development, I think the last bit should be â€œif you are planning for a nation, educate people.â€ Especially, primary education. For among all the factors that are necessary for economic development, none is so basic as primary education for a nation. Primary education is the essential basic public good engredient without which there is no known receipe for development.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article reminded me of something. I just thought I&#8217;d point you towards the DSS : the door step school which provides education to children of families working in the labour sector. (you can get the link off Google). They go around picking up children, taking them to a site, and providing them education all for a nominal sum. </p>
<p>It also reminded me of the following anonymous quote &#8211; </p>
<p>If you are planning for a year, sow rice, if you are planning for a  decade, plant trees, if you are planning for a lifetime, educate people.<br />
<em><br />
<strong>Atanu&#8217;s response:</strong> Vikram, I had used that quote in my post &#8220;<a href="http://www.deeshaa.org/2003/10/23/education-for-a-nation/">Education for a Nation</a>&#8221; which started off with</em><br />
<blockquote>An old Chinese saying (I assume all Chinese sayings are old except the ones that come from the little Red Book) goes:</p>
<p><strong>If you are planning for a year, sow rice; if you are planning for a decade, plant trees; if you are planning for a lifetime, educate people.</strong></p>
<p>In the context of development, I think the last bit should be â€œif you are planning for a nation, educate people.â€ Especially, primary education. For among all the factors that are necessary for economic development, none is so basic as primary education for a nation. Primary education is the essential basic public good engredient without which there is no known receipe for development.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; India: Education and Schools</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4021</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; India: Education and Schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: neha</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4020</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Atanu. What can I say - there are extremes. At one level - The world of expensive boarding schools, IBs, manicured gardens and well-stocked labs, and the other where the mid-day meal is a joke. Your post brings back a lot of memories of schools in rural Andhra Pradesh that I frequently visited to design a program for.. 

The myths of education are too well documented for me to elaborate here. And yet, majority of the country will choose to blame parents of kids when they drop out of schools. .. sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Atanu. What can I say &#8211; there are extremes. At one level &#8211; The world of expensive boarding schools, IBs, manicured gardens and well-stocked labs, and the other where the mid-day meal is a joke. Your post brings back a lot of memories of schools in rural Andhra Pradesh that I frequently visited to design a program for.. </p>
<p>The myths of education are too well documented for me to elaborate here. And yet, majority of the country will choose to blame parents of kids when they drop out of schools. .. sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: SV</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/10/26/433/comment-page-1/#comment-4018</link>
		<dc:creator>SV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To such schools I can only think of  &quot;Colleges are places where pebbles are polished and diamonds are dimmed.&quot;
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