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		<title>By: Dr Malpani, MD</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/05/20/the-world-is-mad-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Malpani, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t need to be a hen to criticise an omelette !  </description>
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		<title>By: Kirthi Ramakrishnan</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/05/20/the-world-is-mad-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirthi Ramakrishnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 15:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon the long post, but I couldnâ€™t help it. Having the New York Times as my local newspaper for almost a decade, and having actually shelled out hard-earned money to purchase his first two books, this is what I have to say about Mr. Friedman. This is not just related to his newfound flatness, but his overall work, the effect of which is not visible unless you figure out who he is talking to.

His motivation is the same as classical liberal internationalists (read imperialists) along â€œWilsonianâ€ ideals. His ideal status quo would be the world arrangement right after World War II with a â€œbenignâ€ but powerful America that will lead the world. He would simply like to replace (or add to) Europe and Japan with India and China, because he clearly recognizes the demographic shift in importance (read they will buy more arms from the US. If we donâ€™t sell, someone else will).

He wants the US government to spend on science (NIH, NSF, NASA etc.), compel big business to focus on American interests, intervene abroad militarily or otherwise to promote democracy (read markets for American companies). In other words he wants a nanny American state that will subsidize cost, privatize profit, and be socially liberal. If that means a few governments have to be toppled, and a few corrupt dictatorships supported, hey â€œgrow up, thatâ€™s the price of doing businessâ€. He is very clear about it when he talks about the iron fist behind the velvet glove.

This approach relies very heavily on the approval and stability of the American white collar managerial class. A few million educated Indians and Chinese, coupled with free capital mobility, is sufficient to shake up this stability, at least temporarily. So, somehow their interests have to be protected without impinging on corporate freedom. It is a difficult job, and it costs something. So, government intervention is necessary, and people have to be riled up to get it to act without disturbing big business. 

Now, if you are a certain variety of patriotic American (I am not talking red state fundamentalists) who believes in Americaâ€™s image of liberalism, tolerance, a force for good et al, this is very appealing. Especially, if your job is in jeopardy. If you are big business, this is very appealing because it smacks of government subsidies for research and development. If you are part of the emerging jetset in developing economies and seek approval from the West, you feel pretty smug and happy. If you are the Saudi or Pakistani establishment that comes in for lots of criticism, you donâ€™t care anyway because you have US support already.

So, he advances his agenda while being everybodyâ€™s friend, and threatening nobody. Iâ€™d say, he is one clever son of a bitch, and a very dangerous one. Do not underestimate his ilk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon the long post, but I couldnâ€™t help it. Having the New York Times as my local newspaper for almost a decade, and having actually shelled out hard-earned money to purchase his first two books, this is what I have to say about Mr. Friedman. This is not just related to his newfound flatness, but his overall work, the effect of which is not visible unless you figure out who he is talking to.</p>
<p>His motivation is the same as classical liberal internationalists (read imperialists) along â€œWilsonianâ€ ideals. His ideal status quo would be the world arrangement right after World War II with a â€œbenignâ€ but powerful America that will lead the world. He would simply like to replace (or add to) Europe and Japan with India and China, because he clearly recognizes the demographic shift in importance (read they will buy more arms from the US. If we donâ€™t sell, someone else will).</p>
<p>He wants the US government to spend on science (NIH, NSF, NASA etc.), compel big business to focus on American interests, intervene abroad militarily or otherwise to promote democracy (read markets for American companies). In other words he wants a nanny American state that will subsidize cost, privatize profit, and be socially liberal. If that means a few governments have to be toppled, and a few corrupt dictatorships supported, hey â€œgrow up, thatâ€™s the price of doing businessâ€. He is very clear about it when he talks about the iron fist behind the velvet glove.</p>
<p>This approach relies very heavily on the approval and stability of the American white collar managerial class. A few million educated Indians and Chinese, coupled with free capital mobility, is sufficient to shake up this stability, at least temporarily. So, somehow their interests have to be protected without impinging on corporate freedom. It is a difficult job, and it costs something. So, government intervention is necessary, and people have to be riled up to get it to act without disturbing big business. </p>
<p>Now, if you are a certain variety of patriotic American (I am not talking red state fundamentalists) who believes in Americaâ€™s image of liberalism, tolerance, a force for good et al, this is very appealing. Especially, if your job is in jeopardy. If you are big business, this is very appealing because it smacks of government subsidies for research and development. If you are part of the emerging jetset in developing economies and seek approval from the West, you feel pretty smug and happy. If you are the Saudi or Pakistani establishment that comes in for lots of criticism, you donâ€™t care anyway because you have US support already.</p>
<p>So, he advances his agenda while being everybodyâ€™s friend, and threatening nobody. Iâ€™d say, he is one clever son of a bitch, and a very dangerous one. Do not underestimate his ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/05/20/the-world-is-mad-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 10:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ignorance is boundless; my knowledge, shallow! I accept your opinion gracefully, Atanu! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ignorance is boundless; my knowledge, shallow! I accept your opinion gracefully, Atanu! <img src='http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: adithemopur</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/05/20/the-world-is-mad-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-834</link>
		<dc:creator>adithemopur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2005 22:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Friedman got my goat with the lexus and the olive tree, and what navin pointed to is just a little part of the mistrust i have for mr friedman&#039;s honesty. 

glad to see i am not alone in my dark little world :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Friedman got my goat with the lexus and the olive tree, and what navin pointed to is just a little part of the mistrust i have for mr friedman&#8217;s honesty. </p>
<p>glad to see i am not alone in my dark little world <img src='http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Navin</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/05/20/the-world-is-mad-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2005 08:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu, Kiran et al,

http://www.prasnation.com/cinematicrain/?p=597#more-597

this link has a more meaningful denoucement of Friedman&#039;s work.  Its a good read. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu, Kiran et al,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prasnation.com/cinematicrain/?p=597#more-597" rel="nofollow">http://www.prasnation.com/cinematicrain/?p=597#more-597</a></p>
<p>this link has a more meaningful denoucement of Friedman&#8217;s work.  Its a good read.</p>
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		<title>By: Jyoti Iyer</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/05/20/the-world-is-mad-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>Jyoti Iyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2005 03:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Atanu,

I agree with you. To use the Titanic example, just because it took all that time ,labour and money to buid the ship, didn&#039;t mean it wasn&#039;t substandard. People found out the hard way. A critical review by no means is an instant ticket to glory, it could be a valid argument to get people to reflect and inspect the issue from an other point of view. Unfortunately critical thinking and free speech these days seem to be oxymorons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Atanu,</p>
<p>I agree with you. To use the Titanic example, just because it took all that time ,labour and money to buid the ship, didn&#8217;t mean it wasn&#8217;t substandard. People found out the hard way. A critical review by no means is an instant ticket to glory, it could be a valid argument to get people to reflect and inspect the issue from an other point of view. Unfortunately critical thinking and free speech these days seem to be oxymorons.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiran</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/05/20/the-world-is-mad-followup/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2005 12:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you entirely. If I have a right to be disgusting, who is anyone to stop me? :) It is just that there is no comparison really between the depth of Friedman&#039;s writings and the shallowness of Taibbi&#039;s analysis. But yes, everyone has a right to choose whether they will like something or not. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you entirely. If I have a right to be disgusting, who is anyone to stop me? <img src='http://www.deeshaa.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It is just that there is no comparison really between the depth of Friedman&#8217;s writings and the shallowness of Taibbi&#8217;s analysis. But yes, everyone has a right to choose whether they will like something or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Atanu Dey on India&#8217;s Development - Deeshaa  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; The World is Mad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atanu Dey on India&#8217;s Development - Deeshaa  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; The World is Mad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2005 10:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hed overpopulated illiterate countries around India. 	PS: There is a followup to this post here.  	 					 				 					 						This entry was posted	on Thursday, May 1 [...]</description>
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<p> 						This entry was posted	on Thursday, May 1 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Atanu Dey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atanu Dey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2005 07:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Ravi&#039;s comment &quot;...he writes well and with clarity of thought...&quot;, I am only expressing a personal opinon that I think Mr. Friedman does not write well and his thinking is confused at best. Tiabbi comments on Friedman is right on the dot -- again, in my opinion. 

As t.k. pointed out, Friedman was an enthusiastic cheerleader of Bush&#039;s illegal war in Iraq. It was that fact that soured my opinion of Friedman. But once again, I repeat, it is my personal opinion and I may be entirely mistaken and Friedman may be one of the most astute observers of our times and he writes absolutely fantastically. 

As to Kiran&#039;s comment: funny you should say that. I was about to use a similar analogy. Here is how I was going to put it. Have you ever seen a movie and thought that it sucked? Well, I guess you have. Now your assessment that the movie sucked cannot be countered by saying, &quot;Hey, if you thought that the movie sucked, why don&#039;t you make a movie better than that yourself?&quot; Because otherwise no one can ever be critical of movies unless one is a George Lucas or a Quentin Tarantino or Alfred Hitchcock. 

To belabor the point, one does not have to be a star director before one concludes that a particular movie sucked majorly. So also, one can be reasonably dissatisfied with a particular book without being a best-selling author. And just as it is not a crime to be a huge fan of some author, it is also not a crime to be a severe critic as well. It is a free world out there and reasonable people may disagree in their various assessments.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Ravi&#8217;s comment &#8220;&#8230;he writes well and with clarity of thought&#8230;&#8221;, I am only expressing a personal opinon that I think Mr. Friedman does not write well and his thinking is confused at best. Tiabbi comments on Friedman is right on the dot &#8212; again, in my opinion. </p>
<p>As t.k. pointed out, Friedman was an enthusiastic cheerleader of Bush&#8217;s illegal war in Iraq. It was that fact that soured my opinion of Friedman. But once again, I repeat, it is my personal opinion and I may be entirely mistaken and Friedman may be one of the most astute observers of our times and he writes absolutely fantastically. </p>
<p>As to Kiran&#8217;s comment: funny you should say that. I was about to use a similar analogy. Here is how I was going to put it. Have you ever seen a movie and thought that it sucked? Well, I guess you have. Now your assessment that the movie sucked cannot be countered by saying, &#8220;Hey, if you thought that the movie sucked, why don&#8217;t you make a movie better than that yourself?&#8221; Because otherwise no one can ever be critical of movies unless one is a George Lucas or a Quentin Tarantino or Alfred Hitchcock. </p>
<p>To belabor the point, one does not have to be a star director before one concludes that a particular movie sucked majorly. So also, one can be reasonably dissatisfied with a particular book without being a best-selling author. And just as it is not a crime to be a huge fan of some author, it is also not a crime to be a severe critic as well. It is a free world out there and reasonable people may disagree in their various assessments.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 15:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine you make a great movie. You spend years working on the script, talking to financiers, convincing the stars, getting a director and generally slogging your butt out to make that master piece, because you believe it in. Or for whatever reason - but in the end you make a great movie. You make a Black or a Forrest Gump or a Titanic and you are critically acclaimed all over the world for your effort. 

Now take a cheapstake like me who had neither the patience, dedication nor the talent to emulate you. So what is my easiest ticket to ride on your fame - fame that you have rightfully earned after decades in the business? I will &quot;swim against the tide&quot; and write one hell of a parody on your movie - criticizing every aspect of your master piece - giving every scene a twist that makes it sound ridiculous (yes anyone can do that to any movie). Now should someone sit back and laugh at my parody or should they spit on me in disgust? I am sorry but I feel the latter towards this Taibbi character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine you make a great movie. You spend years working on the script, talking to financiers, convincing the stars, getting a director and generally slogging your butt out to make that master piece, because you believe it in. Or for whatever reason &#8211; but in the end you make a great movie. You make a Black or a Forrest Gump or a Titanic and you are critically acclaimed all over the world for your effort. </p>
<p>Now take a cheapstake like me who had neither the patience, dedication nor the talent to emulate you. So what is my easiest ticket to ride on your fame &#8211; fame that you have rightfully earned after decades in the business? I will &#8220;swim against the tide&#8221; and write one hell of a parody on your movie &#8211; criticizing every aspect of your master piece &#8211; giving every scene a twist that makes it sound ridiculous (yes anyone can do that to any movie). Now should someone sit back and laugh at my parody or should they spit on me in disgust? I am sorry but I feel the latter towards this Taibbi character.</p>
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		<title>By: t.k.</title>
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		<dc:creator>t.k.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 19:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friedman also was one of the early cheerleaders of the Iraq war.  Follow this to see how below the bluster lies complete analytical confusion:
http://kamakshya.blogspot.com/
ciao...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friedman also was one of the early cheerleaders of the Iraq war.  Follow this to see how below the bluster lies complete analytical confusion:<br />
<a href="http://kamakshya.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://kamakshya.blogspot.com/</a><br />
ciao&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 18:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like yourself, I&#039;ve never had an oppurtunity to read any  of Friedman&#039;s books. But I do subscribe to the newsletter of the NYT and have read many of his essays - he writes well and with clarity of thought. To deny him that is to make a mockery of expressing one&#039;s point of view. As much as Mr. Tiabbi deserves the right to express his opinion via the &#039;lampoon&#039; style of writing, perhaps HE should write a book and I&#039;d like to see how intelligent he&#039;s is; after all, thats what he&#039;s really striving to impress us all with! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like yourself, I&#8217;ve never had an oppurtunity to read any  of Friedman&#8217;s books. But I do subscribe to the newsletter of the NYT and have read many of his essays &#8211; he writes well and with clarity of thought. To deny him that is to make a mockery of expressing one&#8217;s point of view. As much as Mr. Tiabbi deserves the right to express his opinion via the &#8216;lampoon&#8217; style of writing, perhaps HE should write a book and I&#8217;d like to see how intelligent he&#8217;s is; after all, thats what he&#8217;s really striving to impress us all with!</p>
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