Comments on: Corruption and Economic Development: A Reference http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/11/24/corruption-and-economic-development-a-reference/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:41:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: krishna http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/11/24/corruption-and-economic-development-a-reference/comment-page-1/#comment-488 krishna Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/11/24/216#comment-488 Going on the line of you argument. Nehru is most probably currupt. indira,fuled curruption, with her permits, inspection, and rules. krishna. Going on the line of you argument.

Nehru is most probably currupt.
indira,fuled curruption, with her permits,
inspection, and rules.

krishna.

]]> By: uspeed http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/11/24/corruption-and-economic-development-a-reference/comment-page-1/#comment-489 uspeed Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/11/24/216#comment-489 my point in pointing out china was that even though they have the death penalty for corruption, their corruption index is a measely 3.4 (as compared to our 2.8). the problem is not a lack of punishments on the statute books. For e.g. murder is a crime punishable by death, yet there are many politicians and other powerful people in public life who are accused of murder. If the death penalty can't deter murder, why will it deter "big corruption" - Like say Enron, or the UTI scandals, or what happened with so many cooperative banks. One can't ignore the systemic/organizational problems inherent in our govt today. my point in pointing out china was that even though they have the death penalty for corruption, their corruption index is a measely 3.4 (as compared to our 2.8).

the problem is not a lack of punishments on the statute books. For e.g. murder is a crime punishable by death, yet there are many politicians and other powerful people in public life who are accused of murder. If the death penalty can’t deter murder, why will it deter “big corruption” – Like say Enron, or the UTI scandals, or what happened with so many cooperative banks.

One can’t ignore the systemic/organizational problems inherent in our govt today.

]]> By: Stan Lam http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/11/24/corruption-and-economic-development-a-reference/comment-page-1/#comment-490 Stan Lam Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/11/24/216#comment-490 uspeed, if I may: imposing the death penalty is not a standalone solution for ridding a society of corruption. It sets a framework within which it is possible to prosecute someone by invoking the most severe penalty possible. Morally, it sets the standard that corruption is an active and insidious societal crime: a clause that should be cemented as a statute. In theory, it >provides uspeed, if I may: imposing the death penalty is not a standalone solution for ridding a society of corruption. It sets a framework within which it is possible to prosecute someone by invoking the most severe penalty possible. Morally, it sets the standard that corruption is an active and insidious societal crime: a clause that should be cemented as a statute. In theory, it >provides

]]> By: Stan Lam http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/11/24/corruption-and-economic-development-a-reference/comment-page-1/#comment-491 Stan Lam Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/11/24/216#comment-491 (Continued) You would be absolutely justified in lamenting that such statements don't go very far today. The underlying problem (in India, and incidentally in China also) becomes one of the judiciary functioning more efficiently, transparently, and in the end, honestly. Both countries are saddled with large-scale corruption in the judicial systems thesmelves! I would venture to add that even a system like what is place in the US is chock-full of problems, although it remains far ahead of countries like India and China. The Chinese judicial system, like much of Chinese administration, is cloistered from public review. The small person gets meted out unusually cruel, military-style punishment from its courts while the large scale crooks who influence infrastructure selection are hand-in-glove with the administration. I don't have to bother expanding on the fiasco that the Indian juidicial system has degenerated into as I am sure it is intimately familiar to folks on this blog. I will submit, however, that a good indication of the judicial system in any county can be made from the behavior of the police force. A timely incident is the recent arrest and charging of the Hindu seer: the manner in which the police have handled the situation reeks of double-standard and political intrigue; which is indeed a precursor to what lies upstream in the judicial pipeline. Stan (to be continued). (Continued)
You would be absolutely justified in lamenting that such statements don’t go very far today. The underlying problem (in India, and incidentally in China also) becomes one of the judiciary functioning more efficiently, transparently, and in the end, honestly. Both countries are saddled with large-scale corruption in the judicial systems thesmelves! I would venture to add that even a system like what is place in the US is chock-full of problems, although it remains far ahead of countries like India and China. The Chinese judicial system, like much of Chinese administration, is cloistered from public review. The small person gets meted out unusually cruel, military-style punishment from its courts while the large scale crooks who influence infrastructure selection are hand-in-glove with the administration. I don’t have to bother expanding on the fiasco that the Indian juidicial system has degenerated into as I am sure it is intimately familiar to folks on this blog. I will submit, however, that a good indication of the judicial system in any county can be made from the behavior of the police force. A timely incident is the recent arrest and charging of the Hindu seer: the manner in which the police have handled the situation reeks of double-standard and political intrigue; which is indeed a precursor to what lies upstream in the judicial pipeline.

Stan (to be continued).

]]> By: Stan Lam http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/11/24/corruption-and-economic-development-a-reference/comment-page-1/#comment-492 Stan Lam Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/11/24/216#comment-492 (End of rant) The world over, we would be hard pressed to find an adolescent who aspires to become a Supreme Court justice, or a judge! In India, the problem lies in the funnel that feeds into the judicial system. Indians have figured out a darned good system for corraling the undergraduate engineering talent (IIT), and a highly competitive and largely analytical filter for the upper echelon of management (IIM). The elite administrative filter (IAS) needs some tinkering due to the inequity between subject areas tested for, but is a fundamentally good model that has built a strong reputation of distilling merit from the mass. I feel the Indian judicial selection process should align itself very closely with this existing process: from entry, to rank and remuneration. It already supports entry for police officer administration and broadening it to encompass the judiciary would be a natural extension. I believe the Indian educational system today provides for a bachelors in law. It is worth changing that to a solely post-graduate specialization (as is the case in many western nations) with entry to a law school gated by the same filter. I have digressed from the point that a death penalty checks corruption. My points are (a) The death penalty is not a solution as much as a good and timely "Directive Principle" :-), and, (b) The judicial base needs overhaul and a better feeder system can prove a catalyst. Cheers, Stan (End of rant)
The world over, we would be hard pressed to find an adolescent who aspires to become a Supreme Court justice, or a judge! In India, the problem lies in the funnel that feeds into the judicial system. Indians have figured out a darned good system for corraling the undergraduate engineering talent (IIT), and a highly competitive and largely analytical filter for the upper echelon of management (IIM). The elite administrative filter (IAS) needs some tinkering due to the inequity between subject areas tested for, but is a fundamentally good model that has built a strong reputation of distilling merit from the mass. I feel the Indian judicial selection process should align itself very closely with this existing process: from entry, to rank and remuneration. It already supports entry for police officer administration and broadening it to encompass the judiciary would be a natural extension. I believe the Indian educational system today provides for a bachelors in law. It is worth changing that to a solely post-graduate specialization (as is the case in many western nations) with entry to a law school gated by the same filter.

I have digressed from the point that a death penalty checks corruption. My points are (a) The death penalty is not a solution as much as a good and timely “Directive Principle” :-) , and, (b) The judicial base needs overhaul and a better feeder system can prove a catalyst.

Cheers,

Stan

]]> By: Atanu Dey http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/11/24/corruption-and-economic-development-a-reference/comment-page-1/#comment-493 Atanu Dey Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/11/24/216#comment-493 Stan, thanks for the thoughtful comments. Please send me your email address since mails to you are bouncing. Stan, thanks for the thoughtful comments. Please send me your email address since mails to you are bouncing.

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