Comments on: A Modest Proposal for Making India 100 Percent Literate within Three Years http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:41:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Of freedom, markets, and the future of India | East Asia Forum http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-145569 Of freedom, markets, and the future of India | East Asia Forum Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:17:48 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-145569 [...] provisioning. Providing the education should still be in the private sector. (See the post “How to make India 100 percent literate in three years” for more on [...] [...] provisioning. Providing the education should still be in the private sector. (See the post “How to make India 100 percent literate in three years” for more on [...]

]]> By: Of freedom, markets, and the future of India « East Asia Forum http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-127918 Of freedom, markets, and the future of India « East Asia Forum Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:01:58 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-127918 [...] provisioning. Providing the education should still be in the private sector. (See the post “How to make India 100 percent literate in three years” for more on [...] [...] provisioning. Providing the education should still be in the private sector. (See the post “How to make India 100 percent literate in three years” for more on [...]

]]> By: Of Freedom, Markets, and the Future of India http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-127757 Of Freedom, Markets, and the Future of India Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:24:59 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-127757 [...] provisioning. Providing the education should still be in the private sector. (See the post “How to make India 100 percent literate in three years” for more on [...] [...] provisioning. Providing the education should still be in the private sector. (See the post “How to make India 100 percent literate in three years” for more on [...]

]]> By: Meenakshi Singh http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-102661 Meenakshi Singh Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:49:33 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-102661 Hello sir, we appreciate your concern about education in india. A secure child hood today shall reap a sensible adult tomorrow. In furtherance of this ideology we formed The Child Welfare Society of India as a non profit making, non governmental, voluntary organization to help the needy, deserving orphan, physically challenged and under privileged children of the weaker section of the society regardless any caste, creed and religion. The operational area of the society is NCT of Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, Haryana, Maharashtra and Gujrat. The society engaged to organize programme on Health, education, HIV/AID awareness, and adolescents’ awareness on reproductive health, Promotion of Girl Child and environment awareness. Having had extension it wants to extend the development partnership with your organization to work for the common goal of community development. I would appreciate to have a nice collaborative initiative from your side in this regard to strengthen the process of social/ economic change in the life of poor people. We hope that that our efforts are in line with your priorities and shall receive your valuable support. We look forward the pleasure of hearing from you at an early date. Solicited your cooperation, guidance and support in the matter looking forward for your positive response thanking you (Mrs. Meenakshi Singh) General Secretary The Child Welfare Society of India C-127, FF, Savitri Nagar, Malaviya Nagar, New Delhi-17 Hello sir,
we appreciate your concern about education in india. A secure child hood today shall reap a sensible adult tomorrow. In furtherance of this ideology we formed The Child Welfare Society of India as a non profit making, non governmental, voluntary organization to help the needy, deserving orphan, physically challenged and under privileged children of the weaker section of the society regardless any caste, creed and religion. The operational area of the society is NCT of Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, Haryana, Maharashtra and Gujrat. The society engaged to organize programme on Health, education, HIV/AID awareness, and adolescents’ awareness on reproductive health, Promotion of Girl Child and environment awareness. Having had extension it wants to extend the development partnership with your organization to work for the common goal of community development.
I would appreciate to have a nice collaborative initiative from your side in this regard to strengthen the process of social/ economic change in the life of poor people.
We hope that that our efforts are in line with your priorities and shall receive your valuable support. We look forward the pleasure of hearing from you at an early date. Solicited your cooperation, guidance and support in the matter looking forward for your positive response thanking you
(Mrs. Meenakshi Singh)
General Secretary
The Child Welfare Society of India
C-127, FF, Savitri Nagar, Malaviya Nagar,
New Delhi-17

]]> By: Indiamusing http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-101920 Indiamusing Thu, 31 May 2007 08:49:34 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-101920 How different is this scheme from the school voucher system? Arent the challenges that one faces in the voucher system not the same? I think you are missing out one critical component - teachers. You can build a million schools but if you dont have good teachers, its as good as not having a school. Probably worse. How different is this scheme from the school voucher system? Arent the challenges that one faces in the voucher system not the same? I think you are missing out one critical component – teachers. You can build a million schools but if you dont have good teachers, its as good as not having a school. Probably worse.

]]> By: The Indian Economy Blog » The Indian Education System — Part 4 http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-101875 The Indian Economy Blog » The Indian Education System — Part 4 Wed, 30 May 2007 12:41:16 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-101875 [...] will is there. The returns on that investment would have been staggering. I have outlined one mechanism for doing this here. [...] [...] will is there. The returns on that investment would have been staggering. I have outlined one mechanism for doing this here. [...]

]]> By: Artagnon http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-99254 Artagnon Sun, 06 May 2007 06:39:24 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-99254 I completely agree with your costs versus benefits analysis. I also agree with this line: "The only job of the government should be to finance the education" -- The goverment doesn't necessarily know the needs of the public. However, I completely disagree with your plan. By giving away money to private institutions and letting it trickle to the illiterates who need it most, you're only inviting corruption. Let's take a poor family that sends its kids out to work to earn enough money for the family everyday. Let's say you start this NDS and start giving away money in return for getting the kids educated. 1. Does that money make up for the loss incurred by not sending the kids to work? If not, why will the parents send the kids to NDS? 2. If it does in Q1, what guarantees that the kids will be interested in learning? What if they just attend NDS for the money? That might result in the NDS using violent means to achieve its ends. 3. What prevents NDS from publishing false statistics and claiming more government money? The police ofcourse- A huge extra maintanance cost, not to mention another layer of corruption. 4. What prevents the NDS from using unfair means to draw students and somehow prove that they were educated? Let's say there's this NDS in a small village. It issue threats to the village as a whole unless it gets the kids in the village to study there. By forcing the creation of the NDS by financing it, you're not necessarily inviting those people who want to make an honest living out of running an educational instituion. Minds are twisted out of shape when money comes into the picture. I think what's more important is for the family to be just educated enough to REALISE that education is very very important and send their kids to school without any additional incentives. The kids must also be internally motivated to learn. What's the solution? I don't have one, sorry. I completely agree with your costs versus benefits analysis. I also agree with this line: “The only job of the government should be to finance the education” — The goverment doesn’t necessarily know the needs of the public. However, I completely disagree with your plan.
By giving away money to private institutions and letting it trickle to the illiterates who need it most, you’re only inviting corruption. Let’s take a poor family that sends its kids out to work to earn enough money for the family everyday. Let’s say you start this NDS and start giving away money in return for getting the kids educated.
1. Does that money make up for the loss incurred by not sending the kids to work? If not, why will the parents send the kids to NDS?
2. If it does in Q1, what guarantees that the kids will be interested in learning? What if they just attend NDS for the money? That might result in the NDS using violent means to achieve its ends.
3. What prevents NDS from publishing false statistics and claiming more government money? The police ofcourse- A huge extra maintanance cost, not to mention another layer of corruption.
4. What prevents the NDS from using unfair means to draw students and somehow prove that they were educated? Let’s say there’s this NDS in a small village. It issue threats to the village as a whole unless it gets the kids in the village to study there. By forcing the creation of the NDS by financing it, you’re not necessarily inviting those people who want to make an honest living out of running an educational instituion.
Minds are twisted out of shape when money comes into the picture. I think what’s more important is for the family to be just educated enough to REALISE that education is very very important and send their kids to school without any additional incentives. The kids must also be internally motivated to learn. What’s the solution? I don’t have one, sorry.

]]> By: Atanu Dey on India’s Development » The Indian Education System — Part 4 http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-99122 Atanu Dey on India’s Development » The Indian Education System — Part 4 Thu, 03 May 2007 02:37:07 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-99122 [...] will is there. The returns on that investment would have been staggering. I have outlined one mechanism for doing this here. [...] [...] will is there. The returns on that investment would have been staggering. I have outlined one mechanism for doing this here. [...]

]]> By: ARUN NAYAK http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-13034 ARUN NAYAK Wed, 03 May 2006 08:52:19 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-13034 great trend followed in development of education to deprived sections arun nayak great trend followed in development of education to deprived sections
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]]> By: Atanu Dey on India’s Development » A Review of Education Related Posts Here http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-5336 Atanu Dey on India’s Development » A Review of Education Related Posts Here Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:05:16 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-5336 [...] hen? [Source] My prescription for India is to invest massively in education. I presented a modest proposal for making India full [...] [...] hen? [Source] My prescription for India is to invest massively in education. I presented a modest proposal for making India full [...]

]]> By: Atanu Dey on India’s Development » A Modest Proposal — Part 5 http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-5008 Atanu Dey on India’s Development » A Modest Proposal — Part 5 Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:56:19 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-5008 [...] I have been exploring what I call a modest proposal for making India 100% literate (parts 1, 2, 3, and 4). Here I will explor [...] [...] I have been exploring what I call a modest proposal for making India 100% literate (parts 1, 2, 3, and 4). Here I will explor [...]

]]> By: Atanu Dey on India’s Development » A Modest Proposal — Part 4 http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-4993 Atanu Dey on India’s Development » A Modest Proposal — Part 4 Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:43:54 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-4993 [...] ahead and design mechanisms that account for that fact. Ravikiran asked in connection with my proposal to make India 100 percent [...] [...] ahead and design mechanisms that account for that fact. Ravikiran asked in connection with my proposal to make India 100 percent [...]

]]> By: Atanu Dey on India’s Development » A Modest Proposal — Part 3 http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-4992 Atanu Dey on India’s Development » A Modest Proposal — Part 3 Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:35:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-4992 [...] ntinuation of my modest proposal for making India 100 percent literate within three years, Part 1, and Part 2. I am a firm b [...] [...] ntinuation of my modest proposal for making India 100 percent literate within three years, Part 1, and Part 2. I am a firm b [...]

]]> By: Atanu Dey on India’s Development » A Modest Proposal — Part 2 http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-4991 Atanu Dey on India’s Development » A Modest Proposal — Part 2 Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:30:24 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-4991 [...] 8212; Part 2 Jump to comments Permalink Today I continue exploring my modest proposal for making India 100 [...] [...] 8212; Part 2

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]]> By: Ravikiran http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-388 Ravikiran Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-388 What stops the NDS from colluding with the testing centre and making off with the money? What stops the NDS from colluding with the testing centre and making off with the money?

]]> By: Niket http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-389 Niket Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-389 Ravi, I expect Atanu to address the issue of implementation and ensuring appropriate checks and balances without getting into the quagmire of red-tapism, soon. [BEGIN devil's advocate] Is some magic involved in ROI of 100% by increasing literacy. For is it learning ka-kha-ga/1-2-3 alone that would transform the country. Think necessary, not a sufficient condition. Ravi,
I expect Atanu to address the issue of implementation and ensuring appropriate checks and balances without getting into the quagmire of red-tapism, soon.

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Is some magic involved in ROI of 100% by increasing literacy. For is it learning ka-kha-ga/1-2-3 alone that would transform the country. Think necessary, not a sufficient condition.

]]> By: Atanu Dey http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-390 Atanu Dey Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-390 Niket, I suppose you have not concluded your devil's advocacy since you have a BEGIN but not an END construct. Run time error, I believe. Atanu Niket, I suppose you have not concluded your devil’s advocacy since you have a BEGIN but not an END construct. Run time error, I believe.

Atanu

]]> By: Frank McNeill http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/09/30/a-modest-proposal-for-making-india-100-percent-literate-within-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-391 Frank McNeill Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://home.blogstreet.com/2004/09/30/193#comment-391 Total agreement with Atanu's remark about incompetent government officials. I have been trying to promote notions for bamboo products that could provide rural artisans with more income for about three years and discovered there isn't any way to reach artisans without going through bureacrats that are too busy writing papers and attending conferences to attend to business. I always thought the US had the most incompetent government officials, but have decided I was wrong, they are only second worst, or perhaps third worst if Afghanistan's warlords are included in the comparison. Best wishes, Frank Total agreement with Atanu’s remark about incompetent government officials. I have been trying to promote notions for bamboo products that could provide rural artisans with more income for about three years and discovered there isn’t any way to reach artisans without going through bureacrats that are too busy writing papers and attending conferences to attend to business. I always thought the US had the most incompetent government officials, but have decided I was wrong, they are only second worst, or perhaps third worst if Afghanistan’s warlords are included in the comparison. Best wishes, Frank

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