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		<title>By: AravindKumar</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/07/08/indias-disposable-children/comment-page-1/#comment-77384</link>
		<dc:creator>AravindKumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi,
 It was really a very good discussion topic, and for me, more interestingly; I was just given a Project - To make a documentary Film on the issue - CHILD BEGGARY!!
 But I was told that, one of the main solution can be - Public should AVOID giving money to the Beggars, especially Children. That will reduce their birth rates. Interested people can donate for  Social Organisations who help them.

But I don&#039;t think such Organisations are always totally Service oriented.
I need some more alternatives..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,<br />
 It was really a very good discussion topic, and for me, more interestingly; I was just given a Project &#8211; To make a documentary Film on the issue &#8211; CHILD BEGGARY!!<br />
 But I was told that, one of the main solution can be &#8211; Public should AVOID giving money to the Beggars, especially Children. That will reduce their birth rates. Interested people can donate for  Social Organisations who help them.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think such Organisations are always totally Service oriented.<br />
I need some more alternatives..</p>
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		<title>By: kaisare.net  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Relative morality: Abortion</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/07/08/indias-disposable-children/comment-page-1/#comment-4000</link>
		<dc:creator>kaisare.net  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Relative morality: Abortion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ile speaking in about individuals&#8217; reproductive rights, has an excellent post titled India&#8217;s Disposable Children. While debating about right to reproduce, Atanu p [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sridharkundu</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/07/08/indias-disposable-children/comment-page-1/#comment-916</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>burn to a poor parents is a curse. in this family child is taught to beg. whose fault is this. who is responsible for this. poverty only creates circle round the poor children.  if these children are not taken care of properly ,that will intensify the poverty situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>burn to a poor parents is a curse. in this family child is taught to beg. whose fault is this. who is responsible for this. poverty only creates circle round the poor children.  if these children are not taken care of properly ,that will intensify the poverty situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jyoti Iyer</title>
		<link>http://www.deeshaa.org/2004/07/08/indias-disposable-children/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Jyoti Iyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree

The experience of reality is that people are surprisingly short sighted and selfish  - because they are too busy protecting the rights of the birth givers and not of those who are born. Children require commitment of not only the parent, but also the society at large, if they have to be productive (not just reproductive) individuals and engage in nation building. 

The basic issue here is that neither the government, nor the parents (specially rural parents who comprise bulk of the population) are able to create/provide opportunities for their children, and in the end, the children suffer. Mumbai&#039;s mega slums are a testimony to that, how many children are forced to beg because their parents desire it. I am totally compassionate towards children, which is why it would be wrong to subject them to a lifetime of misery simply by being born in a country where there is no dignity for any human life. The fault lies with the birth givers, not the innocent ones who are born. The &quot;Hum Do Humare Do&quot; campaign should be changed to &quot;Hum Do, Humare None!&quot;.

A little sacrifice would go a long way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree</p>
<p>The experience of reality is that people are surprisingly short sighted and selfish  &#8211; because they are too busy protecting the rights of the birth givers and not of those who are born. Children require commitment of not only the parent, but also the society at large, if they have to be productive (not just reproductive) individuals and engage in nation building. </p>
<p>The basic issue here is that neither the government, nor the parents (specially rural parents who comprise bulk of the population) are able to create/provide opportunities for their children, and in the end, the children suffer. Mumbai&#8217;s mega slums are a testimony to that, how many children are forced to beg because their parents desire it. I am totally compassionate towards children, which is why it would be wrong to subject them to a lifetime of misery simply by being born in a country where there is no dignity for any human life. The fault lies with the birth givers, not the innocent ones who are born. The &#8220;Hum Do Humare Do&#8221; campaign should be changed to &#8220;Hum Do, Humare None!&#8221;.</p>
<p>A little sacrifice would go a long way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirthi Ramakrishnan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirthi Ramakrishnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atanu, with all due respect, you seem to have developed a martyr&#039;s complex on this issue. Every one of us is aware of the issues faced. We all grew up in this environment, and those of us who left the country only found the contrast of Indian children&#039;s plight more disturbing. Everyone here is deeply concerned and sympathetic, and if they are not, they have a lot of time on their hands to waste.

So far I only have seen you focus on this issue on whether this is the right thing to do. The philosophy of it can be argued forever. It is like the abortion debate, there is no right answer. You seem to have completely ignored the enforcement process, what this process will look like, what other effects it will produce, and so on.  To me, the scheme is too grand to begin with. You have to overcome all sorts of institutional, religious and cultural barriers. As I think through the enforcement process and its challenges, I am not able to get even a rough idea of the consequences and side effects. I conclude that it is easier to try for the same result (that is lower births) through positive reinforcement, economic growth, education, empowerment etc. The most telling statistic is the decline in growth rate in the more affluent and educated societies. That is the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atanu, with all due respect, you seem to have developed a martyr&#8217;s complex on this issue. Every one of us is aware of the issues faced. We all grew up in this environment, and those of us who left the country only found the contrast of Indian children&#8217;s plight more disturbing. Everyone here is deeply concerned and sympathetic, and if they are not, they have a lot of time on their hands to waste.</p>
<p>So far I only have seen you focus on this issue on whether this is the right thing to do. The philosophy of it can be argued forever. It is like the abortion debate, there is no right answer. You seem to have completely ignored the enforcement process, what this process will look like, what other effects it will produce, and so on.  To me, the scheme is too grand to begin with. You have to overcome all sorts of institutional, religious and cultural barriers. As I think through the enforcement process and its challenges, I am not able to get even a rough idea of the consequences and side effects. I conclude that it is easier to try for the same result (that is lower births) through positive reinforcement, economic growth, education, empowerment etc. The most telling statistic is the decline in growth rate in the more affluent and educated societies. That is the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: sudeep</title>
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		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20 million children, 10,000 Rs per child per annum is (perhaps) sufficient to provide for a level of opportunities (a school with a mid day meal, vaccinations, primary health care).

Sum reqd = 20,000 Crore Rs = $5 Billion.

Sell off the stupid PSUs, stream line the govt, improve tax collections (a 2% surcharge on direct taxes yields $1 Billion) and you have the amount. 

I find it a trifle silly when people passionately argue about unimplementable measures rather than going hammer and tongs at things that can really be done: say, provision of contraceptive devices even in rural areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 million children, 10,000 Rs per child per annum is (perhaps) sufficient to provide for a level of opportunities (a school with a mid day meal, vaccinations, primary health care).</p>
<p>Sum reqd = 20,000 Crore Rs = $5 Billion.</p>
<p>Sell off the stupid PSUs, stream line the govt, improve tax collections (a 2% surcharge on direct taxes yields $1 Billion) and you have the amount. </p>
<p>I find it a trifle silly when people passionately argue about unimplementable measures rather than going hammer and tongs at things that can really be done: say, provision of contraceptive devices even in rural areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree, with the text and the Blog!
Very nice!</description>
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Very nice!</p>
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		<title>By: arun</title>
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		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do human being have children?
Can human beings make do with having 1 child instead of many?
can human beings make do with having no child?
Since some people are so poor in India that they cannot even guarantee &quot;rights&quot; to even one child why grant permission to have one child even?

What is the difference between a child and a cattle?Are not they both tradeable commodities?
Suppose I have a right to have a cattle but I do not have the fodder to feed it, so what do I do? I sell it to a person who would like to have a cattle and can feed it too. Similarly, I cannot guarantee a good quality of life to my would-be children so I sell my right to have them to a person who can guarantee them.
What if one&#039;s only child dies due to &quot;poverity&quot;?Of course we can always have an amendment and grant another permit for half a permit on reproduction of the death certificate.Then poor Gangu will run from pillar to post in our corruption free country for having a child of his own.
Some idiots like Amartya Sen have wasted their time in the dirty climate of the Indian Subcontinent and lunatically &quot;proven&quot; that development, better healthcare, nutrition, education lead to fall in fertility rate.Shall we throw their studies into dustbin?
Our good old Sanjay gandhi was also a great man(his samadhi, media coverage of his birth anniversary, and umpteen number of Government Institutions in his name testify that) who believed in &quot;garibi hatao&quot;. So what do we do: &quot;garib hatao&quot;.Sterlise all the bloody  &quot;garibs&quot; and &quot;not so garibs&quot; and Population problem get solved in minutes. short and simple! no complexities!
Result: To this day democratically elected Governments shudder at the thought of any nationwide program to check population growth.
So if we have the Permit-Raj I will not have to face these &quot;filthy beggars&quot;.The world will suddenly be a better place to live in. 

With fewer people to compete for resources there won&#039;t be any suicides by farmers, there won&#039;t be any starvation deaths(there will be godowns full of grains of course, there won&#039;t be any unemployment(IT is always there) and certainly there won&#039;t be any scramble for oil, no Iraq!,no nuclear weapons!no religious terrorism!no vietnam!no world war!no global warming!
The Earth wil indeed become a heaven!
My friends! the problems which are staring us in the face are not so much because we are so many but because we lack human compassion(that&#039;s why we can think of selling and buying babies, make mockery of our fellow human beings), because of the greed to get more and more. An idiot called Gandhi and some of his associates had also believed in such thoughts of less greed and more compassion but we were not listening then.Are we listening now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do human being have children?<br />
Can human beings make do with having 1 child instead of many?<br />
can human beings make do with having no child?<br />
Since some people are so poor in India that they cannot even guarantee &#8220;rights&#8221; to even one child why grant permission to have one child even?</p>
<p>What is the difference between a child and a cattle?Are not they both tradeable commodities?<br />
Suppose I have a right to have a cattle but I do not have the fodder to feed it, so what do I do? I sell it to a person who would like to have a cattle and can feed it too. Similarly, I cannot guarantee a good quality of life to my would-be children so I sell my right to have them to a person who can guarantee them.<br />
What if one&#8217;s only child dies due to &#8220;poverity&#8221;?Of course we can always have an amendment and grant another permit for half a permit on reproduction of the death certificate.Then poor Gangu will run from pillar to post in our corruption free country for having a child of his own.<br />
Some idiots like Amartya Sen have wasted their time in the dirty climate of the Indian Subcontinent and lunatically &#8220;proven&#8221; that development, better healthcare, nutrition, education lead to fall in fertility rate.Shall we throw their studies into dustbin?<br />
Our good old Sanjay gandhi was also a great man(his samadhi, media coverage of his birth anniversary, and umpteen number of Government Institutions in his name testify that) who believed in &#8220;garibi hatao&#8221;. So what do we do: &#8220;garib hatao&#8221;.Sterlise all the bloody  &#8220;garibs&#8221; and &#8220;not so garibs&#8221; and Population problem get solved in minutes. short and simple! no complexities!<br />
Result: To this day democratically elected Governments shudder at the thought of any nationwide program to check population growth.<br />
So if we have the Permit-Raj I will not have to face these &#8220;filthy beggars&#8221;.The world will suddenly be a better place to live in. </p>
<p>With fewer people to compete for resources there won&#8217;t be any suicides by farmers, there won&#8217;t be any starvation deaths(there will be godowns full of grains of course, there won&#8217;t be any unemployment(IT is always there) and certainly there won&#8217;t be any scramble for oil, no Iraq!,no nuclear weapons!no religious terrorism!no vietnam!no world war!no global warming!<br />
The Earth wil indeed become a heaven!<br />
My friends! the problems which are staring us in the face are not so much because we are so many but because we lack human compassion(that&#8217;s why we can think of selling and buying babies, make mockery of our fellow human beings), because of the greed to get more and more. An idiot called Gandhi and some of his associates had also believed in such thoughts of less greed and more compassion but we were not listening then.Are we listening now?</p>
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		<title>By: Arun Anantharaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arun Anantharaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record: &quot;arun&quot; and &quot;Arun Anantharaman&quot; are two different people. 

As for this post, I have nothing to say. I don&#039;t wish to indulge in rhetorical arguments. 

And I hope you fed the poor child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record: &#8220;arun&#8221; and &#8220;Arun Anantharaman&#8221; are two different people. </p>
<p>As for this post, I have nothing to say. I don&#8217;t wish to indulge in rhetorical arguments. </p>
<p>And I hope you fed the poor child.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun Anantharaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arun Anantharaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record: &quot;arun&quot; and &quot;Arun Anantharaman&quot; are two different people. 

As for this post, I have nothing to say. I don&#039;t wish to indulge in rhetorical arguments. 

And I hope you fed the poor child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record: &#8220;arun&#8221; and &#8220;Arun Anantharaman&#8221; are two different people. </p>
<p>As for this post, I have nothing to say. I don&#8217;t wish to indulge in rhetorical arguments. </p>
<p>And I hope you fed the poor child.</p>
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		<title>By: sunil</title>
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		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that Antanu has a special way of describing the same thing which we have gone thro&#039; many times.I am moved by his depictions of ground realities in India.My state of mind goes back to the same helplessness as I use to feel in the middle of the night when my son was not well and was restless because of difficulty in breathing (alergic).Thank you for reminding us of the misereis of our fellow Indians,particularly children.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that Antanu has a special way of describing the same thing which we have gone thro&#8217; many times.I am moved by his depictions of ground realities in India.My state of mind goes back to the same helplessness as I use to feel in the middle of the night when my son was not well and was restless because of difficulty in breathing (alergic).Thank you for reminding us of the misereis of our fellow Indians,particularly children.</p>
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